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Gentle Ronnie 
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 Topic: Bring DEATH in the archives!
Posted: November 20 2005 at 15:10 |
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Pestilence should be added, I think, but then again, if Death still is not here, I'm not sure...
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John Gargo
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Posted: November 17 2005 at 09:33 |
 MikeEnRegalia wrote:
John Gargo wrote:
I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread, but PESTILENCE deserves a place in this website as well, given the progressive nature of their last two albums and the shared band members with ATHEIST. |
You should post that in the "Organizing Prog Metal" thread ... 
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Sorry, I see how many pages and pages of responses that one has and I just stear clear of it! 
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 17 2005 at 04:03 |
John Gargo wrote:
I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread, but PESTILENCE deserves a place in this website as well, given the progressive nature of their last two albums and the shared band members with ATHEIST. |
You should post that in the "Organizing Prog Metal" thread ...
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John Gargo
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 21:05 |
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I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread, but PESTILENCE deserves a place in this website as well, given the progressive nature of their last two albums and the shared band members with ATHEIST.
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Manunkind
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 16:00 |
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Mmm... toffee
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 15:45 |
goose wrote:
Practically all of Bach's, Mozart's and Beethoven's pieces for virtuosos invite improvisation. Even when the notes themselves aren't improvised there's nearly always a clear difference between any two performers, and often even any two performances |
I would guess that's because all three were maestro improvisers themselves, and the score is just a refinement or simplification of what they themselves would actually play.
The main differences between them and Mr Malmsteen is that Malmsteen's improvisatory skills (by comparison) are completely non-existent, and Mr Malmsteen cannot compose for toffee. Although he can be hugely entertaining, of course.
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Manunkind
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 13:21 |
Malmsteen has excellent technique and sound... and that's about it. His solos are fun the first time you hear them, but when you realize they hardly change... 
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 09:17 |
Practically all of Bach's, Mozart's and Beethoven's pieces for virtuosos invite improvisation. Even when the notes themselves aren't improvised there's nearly always a clear difference between any two performers, and often even any two performances
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 09:04 |
Gentle Ronnie wrote:
I always thought being a good musician was all about creativity and songwriting. |
And what about classical musicians - virtuosos who ONLY perform music which was not written by them and which allows little (if any) own contributions?
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Gentle Ronnie
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 08:30 |
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I always thought being a good musician was all about creativity and songwriting.
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Pafnutij
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 01:08 |
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I'd rather quote George Bush than Yngwie Malmsteen. I mean, seriously, who values that rat's opinion about... anything?
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I just put that quote in cause it was funny. And Malmsteen IS a good musician - just an uncreative and close-minded one.
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Manunkind
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 19:57 |
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^ and so is Cynic
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John Gargo
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 16:09 |
Death was pretty much heavily influenced by Atheist's sound on their later recordings... Atheist is in the archives at the very least.
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Gentle Ronnie
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 14:22 |
Actually, Sabbath released at least 4 progmetal masterpieces.
In terms of progression, KEA was Metallica's most progressive album, but in terms of progginess, one of the 3 albums after KEA will do.
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Manunkind
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 14:05 |
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So therefore, since Motorhead and Metallica re-invented metal, they're both prog. |
You yourself said early Metallica was prog.
And I think the 'prog' element in prog metal is achieved differently than in prog rock... but maybe you're right, after all in the end we would have to include the Sabs as well.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 09:51 |
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He's a good musician.
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Gentle Ronnie
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 09:49 |
I'd rather quote George Bush than Yngwie Malmsteen. I mean, seriously, who values that rat's opinion about... anything?
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Pafnutij
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 09:16 |
All I find prog about Death is unusual time sigs and tempo changes ("What's up with that beat-changing bullsh*t? It's like they can't decide which song to play!" - Yngwie Malmsteen on "The Philosopher"). The riffing is pretty standard metal stuff. It seems like they're forcing themselves to be prog (though a lot of bands probably do that).
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 05:24 |
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So therefore, since Motorhead and Metallica re-invented metal, they're both prog.
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Manunkind
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 05:16 |
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Death is prog metal - it's death metal reinvented, therefore it's prog metal.
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