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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2004 at 21:51

I cheerfully retract my blanket statement- there may in fact be talented Christian Rock artists that I know nothing about (Amy Grant and Keith Green are not going to change my opinion, however, nor are the recent entries of POD and Creed into the mainstream). And many (many many) geniuses throughout the ages have been quite religious- and many poor works of art have come from atheists or agnostics. It's simply that bad religion (not the band, the inspiration) is a continuing and prolific source of bad art and social commentary.

Want to hear something scary and see another crazy-christian website?

http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2004 at 04:05

I would like to praise all contributers to this thread, for managing to keep such a contentious subject within the realms of civil debate and not resorting to a "my god's better than your god" slanging match.

Maani: Thanks for not closing this thread. We don't really want a site in which all controversial subjects are taboo, as a strict diet of "the weather and your health" (traditional British small talk) would cause more members to leave from boredom than currently storm off in high dudgeon upon discovering that not all progfans think exactly as they do. Oh, btw, thankyou for your "review" of my post regarding reviewers. Praise indeed.

 

Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2004 at 06:29

Well, I'm bad to the bone. I smell of brimstone and crack. I eat bats and play my Yes records backwords everyday while praying to the desolate one. I believe Mike Rutherford is the Antichrist. You've only got to look at him

Mind you, I dont have long hair so I'm not all bad..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2004 at 10:30

I don't trust any religion that condemns non-believers. Atheistic religions seem far more comforting.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2004 at 11:14

I saw some anti-religious answers in this thread, that of course have some negative effect on a religious person like myself, but I have to admit that fanatics as the one we're talking about are resposible for this kind of reactions.

Quote I don't trust any religion that condemns non-believers.

Neither do I Goose, this kind of fanatism only leads to violence, the funny thing is that this fundamentalists dare to criticize other religions like Catholicism, Judaism or Islam accusing them of being fanatics.

God save all of us from those who believe they have the right to talk in God's name and even worst to decide who is right and who is wrong.

The worst problem is that they are infecting young people with their poison, creating a generation that's afraid of evey secular discipline.

Do they want another Oscurantism? I believe so, because ignorant kids who are afraid of everything are an easy target for manipulation. Just read this site:

http://www.av1611.org/crock/crockids.html

It's sad to read about young people being afraid of something as basic in human life as music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2004 at 15:29
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Originally posted by landberkdoten landberkdoten wrote:

Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

I think thats only true about Pink Floyd fans...

Hey! Watch your mouth young lady! A true Floydian fan here!

No problem Land, pretty big Floyd fan here too... just to prove it , I recently flew over to London from NYC just to hear Dave Gilmour play 2 songs (not even Floyd)  at that Jools Holland & Friends show at RAH... I'm thinking of doing that again when Dave plays at the Fender 50th Anniv. bash at Wembley in Sept

Good thinking!

Wish I could be there too

break the circle

reset my head

wake the sleepwalker

and i'll wake the dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2004 at 21:04

This person is a straight up idiot.

I wonder what Rick Wakeman would think?



It's the same guy. Great minds think alike.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2004 at 22:16
Originally posted by Gaston Gaston wrote:

This person is a straight up idiot.

I wonder what Rick Wakeman would think?

He'd write a 3 disc concept album about how evil this person is, and then adapt it into a movie, play, video game, and dance routine.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2004 at 00:57
Originally posted by Useful_Idiot Useful_Idiot wrote:

He'd write a 3 disc concept album about how evil this person is, and then adapt it into a movie, play, video game, and dance routine.

 

Download 6 min. TRAILER (10 excerpts) of our upcoming concept album at http://www.silentagreement.nl
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2004 at 05:23
Originally posted by Aquarius Aquarius wrote:

Lots of big names in progrock had songs with demonic references or with anti-religious lyrics.

Yes, but there are also many great religious prog groups (Yes, Jethro Tull)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2004 at 15:07

In my opinion Yes lyrics are more about Spirituality than about Religion.There is a difference in my book.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2004 at 15:52

This type of thing has always been rife in the US, especially in the deep south. I remember reading about the ritual burnings of Led Zepplin, Kiss (Knights in Satans service according to one mad bar steward) albums in the 70's. Rush were deemed to be satanic after the release of 2112, and Neil Peat wrote a response to the preacher in question - Its on the Web somewhere but I cant find his letter. It pretty much sums up why such reactions are stupid.

The fact is, and I am in no way generalising about the US south, these types seek to scapegoat all the time. They look for things to hang blame on for all the worlds ills, rather than examining the hipocrysies within their own camp. The young and the music they listern to are easy targets. I have nothing against any specific religion, but all to often it is religion or extremists interpretation of it, that leads to conflict and killing and a basic betrayal of the core beliefs of that religion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2004 at 17:05
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

In my opinion Yes lyrics are more about Spirituality than about Religion.There is a difference in my book.

The Revealing Science Of GOD.

Reiligious enough for me...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2004 at 17:14

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

This type of thing has always been rife in the US, especially in the deep south.

Well I was born and raised a southern baptist in the Southern US.. and I can safely say that it wasn't that way in my church.

However, I did have 5 very religious aunts.. that when I ran away at 17 with ELP, they thought ELP was some type of a cult and that my Dad should have me kidnapped back and my mind de-programed...

THIS IS ELP
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2004 at 19:21
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

In my opinion Yes lyrics are more about Spirituality than about Religion.There is a difference in my book.

The Revealing Science Of GOD.

Reiligious enough for me...

Not for me....

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2004 at 22:27
The US was founded by criminals and zealots so objectionable to the rest of the world that they were banished here...this heritage gives us certain advantages, but also plenty of troubling influences as well -the South is just our most obvious example. Religion is not the problem, it's Puritanism. Witch-burning is alive and well and assuming insidious socially acceptable forms.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2004 at 13:04
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

In my opinion Yes lyrics are more about Spirituality than about Religion.There is a difference in my book.

The Revealing Science Of GOD.

Reiligious enough for me...

Not for me....

GOD?

for me God = religion

Am I wrong?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2004 at 13:17
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

In my opinion Yes lyrics are more about Spirituality than about Religion.There is a difference in my book.

The Revealing Science Of GOD.

Reiligious enough for me...

Not for me....

GOD?

for me God = religion

Am I wrong?

Hi Joren, strictly speaking, you're not entirely right. Religion is "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature and purpose of the universe". These often, though not always, require the practice of worship of God or gods, though these gods are the object of worship and not worship itself......or am I just a pedantic git?Wink



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2004 at 15:11
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

F**k religion!
I agree I do no not practice religion but at the same time I respect anyone who does. I have Muslim friends Catholic friends etc. but as long as they keep it out of our relationship it is all good. The same goes with politics as far as I am concerned.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2004 at 15:15
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Well, I'm bad to the bone. I smell of brimstone and crack. I eat bats and play my Yes records backwords everyday while praying to the desolate one. I believe Mike Rutherford is the Antichrist. You've only got to look at him

Mind you, I dont have long hair so I'm not all bad..

I've played a few Black Sabbath records backwards but never any Yes records I'm going to have to give it a try. I'm going to start with Tales From Topographic Oceans.Maybe It will cauuse me to commit suicide! Bob Fripp is the real antichrist.
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