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Chipiron
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 12:17 |
Under wrote:
So the consensus is that prog music lovers are more intelligent than people liking other kind of music.
Strechting this opinion this means that within this group there must be some distinction as well.
Would prog metall heads be less intelligent than neo proggers? Can someone who likes the Tales from the Topographic Oceans be considered more intelligent than some one who prefers Union?
Let us rate some albums: If you find Godbluff is the best from VDGG you get 5 points, but if you like Pawn Hearts more you get 6 points. Would be a great test. Not sure if I personally woudl like the results.
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Peace Frog
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 13:21 |
My IQ is 134, am I smarter or stupider than you?
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kirklott
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 13:28 |
Under wrote:
Can someone who likes the Tales from the Topographic Oceans be considered more intelligent than some one who prefers Union?
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Well, I think this is self-evident.
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"Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin
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greenback
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 13:33 |
i think i've got the point:
there are among prog fans intelligent fans & stupid fans; those who are intelligent like intelligent prog and never stupid prog; those who are stupid like some stupid prog.
now the question is to give names for stupid prog, and i think i'll keep them inside my thoughts, in order to avoid controversy
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CaptainWafflos
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 16:06 |
kirklott wrote:
However, even the informal online tests can be somewhat
accurate - I took one once, at it exactly matched the two formal ones
I've taken. |
Out of curiosity, which online test did you take?
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sleeper
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 16:08 |
I think that you dont have to be smart to like prog but many people who do, are. But not everyone who is smart likes Prog, they may prefer Classical or jazz or somthing a little more mainstream that lets them get away from any need to think. Personally I think that anyone who is looking for a moor inteligent form of popular music (i.e. prog) will be quite smart and will find prog, wether they like it depends on wether its their cup of tea or not.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Under
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 06:50 |
greenback wrote:
i think i've got the point:
there are among prog fans intelligent fans & stupid fans; those who are intelligent like intelligent prog and never stupid prog; those who are stupid like some stupid prog.
now the question is to give names for stupid prog, and i think i'll keep them inside my thoughts, in order to avoid controversy
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Intelligent prog and stupid prog.
That was a good way to organize the genres. Now it has taken hundreds of posts and did not get any result. I will not keep these inside my head. We should make a list.
Early Yes must be considered intelligent prog (8 points on a scale to 10). Early Genesis is quit intelligent as well (7 points) Dream Theaters SFAM (9 points), but TOT (5 points) Marillion Marbles (3 points) Etc.
Now, one would have to add up all points of the albums he/ she likes. Over 1000 points is extremely intelligent, less than 100 points is intelligent for normal people, but just dumb for proggers.
Hmm, I should protect this with a patent .....
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Ray Lomas
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 15:50 |
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Catholic Flame
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 16:14 |
cobb wrote:
No, haven't you been reading some of the posts on this site....
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Good point. Maybe its more pretension than intellect.
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“Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and fads and popular opinion.”
~Jack Kerouac
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Harry Hood
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 16:18 |
I'm not a very intelligent music fan. I know very little abotu the technical side of music. I don't know anything about scales or chords or time signatures, and I have very little exerpience with any instruments.(I took a year of piano lessons and remember almost nothing)
However, that doesn't mean I can't appreciate more complex music. One of my first favorite bands was Phish, so I learned early to appreciate longer compositions, which is why I like prog and post-rock.
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walrus333
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 21:18 |
Well I think Im one of those characters that is pretty smart but I tend to space out alot and I am lazy when it comes to school so people who dont know me very well think I am a total idiot, who knows maybe I am really stupid
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If anyone knows where I can get a copy of some Flute and Voice (Indo-Prog/Raga Rock) albums please PM me! Many thanks!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 06:32 |
Have not read this eltist thread, but ever since there is a group that usurped this name with derivative music , I always knew that progheads were definitely not more worthy humans just because of their music tastes!
No offence meant , but took a good look at yourselves before having to judge others who are into different music styles. This would mean that the Jazz Purists and Classical nutheads would have even higher IQ than progheads!
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Pafnutij
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 10:15 |
i iz stoopid
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little_neutrino
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 11:20 |
For one, I don't think anyone has mentioned even once on this thread the issue of social intelligence. You can have logical, linguistic, mathematical, and several other kinds of intelligence in spades and lack everything about social intelligence. Perfect example being the stereotypical science geek or engineer.
My point is there is no point! The only thing this kind of argument seems to do is bring out the elitist in us.
Y'know, there is an incredibly intelligent guy I go to school with who is amazing at Physics. He listens to a blend of classical music and mainstream rap/hip-hop. I'm talking 50 Cent here. There is another incredibly intelligent guy I go to school with who is amazing at math and programming. He listens to pop. Like Mariah Carey (she of the famous thread), Britney, Celine Dion, Black Eyed Peas, etc. Then there's me, who can't do physics worth crap (the only reason I'm still in the program is because you get by with a little help from your friends), who has to memorise how to do calculus problems, who dies a little on the inside every time she has a programming assignment, and who listens to classic 70's prog. Go figure.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 11:36 |
little_neutrino wrote:
For one, I don't think anyone has mentioned even once on this thread the issue of social intelligence. You can have logical, linguistic, mathematical, and several other kinds of intelligence in spades and lack everything about social intelligence. Perfect example being the stereotypical science geek or engineer.
My point is there is no point! The only thing this kind of argument seems to do is bring out the elitist in us.
Y'know, there is an incredibly intelligent guy I go to school with who is amazing at Physics. He listens to a blend of classical music and mainstream rap/hip-hop. I'm talking 50 Cent here. There is another incredibly intelligent guy I go to school with who is amazing at math and programming. He listens to pop. Like Mariah Carey (she of the famous thread), Britney, Celine Dion, Black Eyed Peas, etc. Then there's me, who can't do physics worth crap (the only reason I'm still in the program is because you get by with a little help from your friends), who has to memorise how to do calculus problems, who dies a little on the inside every time she has a programming assignment, and who listens to classic 70's prog. Go figure.
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Social intelligence is for the dweebs that does not got the proper intellligence
BUT! you dont have to be really intelligent to get on with maths and physics really since these subjects is built on a set of rules and as long as you know them it is quite simple.
So you cant really say they are higly intelligent until they have been tested properly. (Remember math is just one of 7 subjects in an intelligent test )
Remember ever Albert Einstein was really crap at school, but the point is...the prog fans have USUALLY an higer average IQ that the rest of the population
I know this becuase of the many intelligent discussions and the general knowledge in language that random members can show.
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kirklott
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 11:47 |
CaptainWafflos wrote:
kirklott wrote:
However, even the informal online tests can be somewhat accurate - I took one once, at it exactly matched the two formal ones I've taken. |
Out of curiosity, which online test did you take?
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I think it's the one below. It took about 30 minutes, and it was fun and the questions actually got pretty challenging toward the end.
http://www.iqtest.com/
The fact that my results were dead accurate could be coincidence.
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"Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin
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kirklott
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 12:09 |
little_neutrino wrote:
My point is there is no point! The only thing this kind of argument seems to do is bring out the elitist in us.
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This is non-sense. You're simply falling prey to the worst kind of politically-correct dogma.
Whereas you would say it's OK for me to say "I'm 20 pounds overweight," you would say it's not OK for me to say "I'm mentally gifted."
Why is it OK for people to classify themselves "mentally disabled," but not "mentally gifted." That's why schools dump $ BILLIONS into helping the disabled, but very littled into challenging the gifted (who, btw, are the future leaders, engineers, etc., whom we will call upon to solve the world's imminent problems. Unfortunately gifted children have a high drop out rate because they aren't challenged.) This is the nightmare scenario that characters always face in Ayn Rand's books.
Slow down for a moment, avoid the PC knee-jerk reaction, and put some thought into what this thread is about. This thread is not about whether you're "smart" because you listen to prog. The thread is about whether the type of people who are drawn to prog music today are often mentally gifted (which, btw, can be up to 25% of a school class). For reasons outlined in this thread, I believe a-higher-than-average number of prog fans are bright. And if you're mentally gifted, you should be proud instead of being embarrassed.
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"Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin
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kirklott
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 12:17 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Have not read this eltist thread, |
Just curious, but how can you call this thread elitist is you haven't read it? That's sort of politically-correct, knee-jerk dogma, isn't it?
It's interesting, but I've started some possibly inflamatory off-topic threads in this newsgroup (such as Did Bush dupe Christians?) which have lead to intelligent, respectful, and thoughtful discourse.
On the other hand, this thread is more difficult. We've all been taught since day one it's ok for someone to say he or she is mentally challenged or tall or overweight or have green hair or whatever.
But it's very, very naughty to say you're smart. Which is really quite stupid.
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"Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin
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Harry Hood
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 12:26 |
I just took that IQ test, and my score was 92.
I'm barely not retarded, but even I can appreciate progressive music.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 12:34 |
I dont think so.
There are alot of stupid people out there, chances are some of them like prog.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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