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Points: 88 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 16:08
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by viperjr98 viperjr98 wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Whoa this thread has become REALLY big!

Thank you, King of the Obvious

 

Hey, anyone give any thought to creating a sister site, PROG-METAL-ARCHIVES?  It would certainly put an end to the non-metal proggers who feel we are taking over their site.  And I just checked and www.progmetalarchives.com is AVAILABLE!

I'd be willing to put some time and money into it if anyone else is.

 

I've said it before and ill say it again It says pro archives at the top of the page, meaning it catters to all progressive music (or near enough).

 

Hey, it was only a suggestion.  I know it says PROG ARCHIVES, and I really appreciate the fact that so many people who like such radically different forms of music can come together under the umbrella of prog and have a site like this to share.  I think MikeER is doing a fantastic job, he's putting in a ton of work, and I don't envy him.  Keep it up.  I'm excited to see how it turns out. 

 
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Points: 16449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 16:26
Originally posted by viperjr98 viperjr98 wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by viperjr98 viperjr98 wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Whoa this thread has become REALLY big!

Thank you, King of the Obvious

 

Hey, anyone give any thought to creating a sister site, PROG-METAL-ARCHIVES?  It would certainly put an end to the non-metal proggers who feel we are taking over their site.  And I just checked and www.progmetalarchives.com is AVAILABLE!

I'd be willing to put some time and money into it if anyone else is.

 

I've said it before and ill say it again It says pro archives at the top of the page, meaning it catters to all progressive music (or near enough).

 

Hey, it was only a suggestion.  I know it says PROG ARCHIVES, and I really appreciate the fact that so many people who like such radically different forms of music can come together under the umbrella of prog and have a site like this to share.  I think MikeER is doing a fantastic job, he's putting in a ton of work, and I don't envy him.  Keep it up.  I'm excited to see how it turns out. 

 

Sorry if i seemed a little anoyed but there are certain people who seem to think this site is for prog rock only, although they are in the minority. Thankfully this is the prog archies and we can explore the full breadth of progressive music hear, weather influenced by mozart or metallica (or both).

 

 
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Points: 2530 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 16:47
Good work Mike and Jody - well done you guys -keep it up
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ very nice, Vanwarp!

Some of what you propose has been discussed earlier ... let me try to summarize what I think about it:

  • What I call "Symphonic Prog Metal" is what you call just "Prog Metal". I don't want to call it just "Prog Metal", but I agree that "Symphonic Prog Metal is not perfect. We need something like "Standard Prog Metal", "Mainstream Prog Metal" or "Classic Prog Metal", but neither of those labels fits either.
  • I really think that "Progressive Power" and "Neoclassical" should be combined. Many of the Power bands have neoclassical elements, and most of the neoclassical bands are also Power Metal bands. IMO they are too closely related to be separated.
  • Fusion/Shred might be a good stand alone genre, but right now there wouldn't be enough bands. Add to that the fact that these bands are quite similar to the Experimental/Technical bands, and you'll understand why I combined them.
  • Dark Suns are not Death Metal at all.

I updated the chart - some major changes ...

Yes, the chart is looking very good, I could live with the new changes, much less confusing... 
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ok, why is katatonia here? Great band, got their whole discography (2/3 things missing maybe) and I love it. Since when is katatonia a progressive metal/rock band?

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Originally posted by Radioactive Toy Radioactive Toy wrote:

ok, why is katatonia here? Great band, got their whole discography (2/3 things missing maybe) and I love it. Since when is katatonia a progressive metal/rock band?

Wow, I hadn't noticed that they were added. In my previous post (which I deleted) I said that I would not add them ... but now that they're here, I can support them. I wouldn't have added them myself, but I really think that they fit nicely into the Avant/Post Prog Metal genre.

 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Radioactive Toy Radioactive Toy wrote:

ok, why is katatonia here? Great band, got their whole discography (2/3 things missing maybe) and I love it. Since when is katatonia a progressive metal/rock band?

Wow, I hadn't noticed that they were added. In my previous post (which I deleted) I said that I would not add them ... but now that they're here, I can support them. I wouldn't have added them myself, but I really think that they fit nicely into the Avant/Post Prog Metal genre.

 



They wont fit niceley into the avant/post prog metal genre.. Why? because they're just as prog as the paperclip in my left pocket right now. They just aren't. They do have gotten trough a PROGRESS, but madonna has done that also. They're not progressive in ANY way, if katatonia would be added, the whole "progressive metal" genre would be a joke and an unprofessional compliation of some metal bands some people here just like.

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Hey, I've spend a lot of work adding them  ()

which I was asked to do btw
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ok, shall we add 50 cent then? Let you work on it so it wont be deleted?

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sure... he's so progressive that people try to shoot him for doing so

damn hiphop... why can't it stay oldskool



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Originally posted by king16 king16 wrote:

sure... he's so progressive that people try to shoot him for doing so

damn hiphop... why can't it stay oldskool

Why cant it die off (not too literally mind)
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Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by king16 king16 wrote:

sure... he's so progressive that people try to shoot him for doing so

damn hiphop... why can't it stay oldskool

Why cant it die off (not too literally mind)

 

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Points: 953 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2005 at 20:10
Huub. METAAAL zegt:
woei
Huub. METAAAL zegt:
ff 1 vraagje
Huub. METAAAL zegt:
is katatonia progmetal?
Tεh Ңأεяơ -- a pair of fools sailing where no winds blow zegt:
nee  

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I said: Is katatonia progmetal?
One random guy: No

Not the first one really.. I still don't know the reason WHY katatonia is listed prog.. good band NOT PROG. Does somebody has anything like an motivation or reason why katatonia is in here?

(by the way.. I just need dance of, jhova and brave yester days to complete my collection )

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They're prog related, I've just put them under prog metal because they are metal, my fault, we can continue talking about it or get over it, I think that if it is classified under prog related it is at the right spot.
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Prog Related and Proto-Prog should be additional attributes, not separate genres. In the meantime (until this is implemented) we'll have to live with bands as diverse as Queen, Metallica (maybe) and Katatonia in the same category.
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PROG RELATED??? that's BULL! Like hi I'm the friend of mikael akerfelt, can't you see now how proggy my music is?!?!?

It's just utterly stupid, face it! Katatonia ISNT prog, in ANY way. Plain metal/emotional rock/metal band.

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Maybe you should categorize albums, not bands. 
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^  We should, but currently we can't.
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Originally posted by LuciferJim LuciferJim wrote:

Maybe you should categorize albums, not bands. 

Ummmm....like I said to the like 10 other people that suggested that,categorizing the bands was a lot of work.To categorize every individual album that all these bands made would involve a staggeringly large amount of time and work.

Let's worry about the bands first.


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