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Poll Question: Which is the best part of Tales?
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Ritual for me, thought my favorite part of the album is the acustic part form the acient
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First, let me state I'm a huge Yeshead - I own every album and then some, every DVD, read every book except Mosbo's, met Anderson, Squire, Howe, White, Wakeman and Moraz, seen them live 25 times, etc.

But Topo sucks. Ancient is unlistenable. RSoG has zero focus. Ritual could have been good, but is bogged down by indulgent, overblown percussion segment. And the whole album has lousy, very flat production.

The only truly good track is The Remembering, which btw, Anderson wants the band to play live. And Squire digs it too.

Happily, the band got back on track with the incredible Relayer album.



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I like The Ancient....
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Originally posted by hcnoer hcnoer wrote:

5 votes for The Ancient, and only 2 for The Remembering? I find that surprising, and interesting.

I can't put this album on in the background, for some reason I can't consentrate on anything else than the music. But every now and then I adjust the speakers, sit back and just consntrate 100% about the music for 80 minutes. I simply find it amazing.

I totally agree.  This album takes me on such a powerful journey.  I'm surprised too that The Ancient has gotten so many votes.  I always thought that was people's least favorite composition on the album.
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my favorite has always been 'the remembering'. it has the best keyboard work, and its just so soft and pretty, escpecially the beginning. ritual is a close second.
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The ancient is just fantastic...harmonically is very intresting and then what about Howe's classical guitar solo?!
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Originally posted by lunaticviolist lunaticviolist wrote:

Originally posted by hcnoer hcnoer wrote:

5 votes for The Ancient, and only 2 for The Remembering? I find that surprising, and interesting.

I can't put this album on in the background, for some reason I can't consentrate on anything else than the music. But every now and then I adjust the speakers, sit back and just consntrate 100% about the music for 80 minutes. I simply find it amazing.

I totally agree.  This album takes me on such a powerful journey.  I'm surprised too that The Ancient has gotten so many votes.  I always thought that was people's least favorite composition on the album.

I guess that a lot of people on this site still think that The Ancient is adventurous, which it is. I guess that some people find The Remembering a bit boring.

Not me, I love all 4 sides of Tales. My favourite track is The Ritual though, because it has some really great and superbly contrasting movements, somewhere in the middle of the song.
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The first track, although many would say that the best part is when they stop playing at all...
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         There are four songs.Choose 2 stronger songs.Releace it as ordinary LP.

   Not double album.Then that album would have been more succesful.

  Music critics would have liked it more...
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ohh... has to the The Ancient.  Hated it at first, grew to be my least favorite, over time, became my favorite on the album,  more time passed.... amoung my favorite Yessongs period.
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   I can't figure out why any Prog fan would not like this album.  Excellent.  Revealing Science of God is my favorite
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Originally posted by Genesisprog Genesisprog wrote:

         There are four songs.Choose 2 stronger songs.Releace it as ordinary LP.

   Not double album.Then that album would have been more succesful.

  Music critics would have liked it more...



and then we would have been denied all the noteriety, and debates that have surrounded this album since it was released.   Prog was about expanding the boundries... well Yes did that didn't they. Besides it was sucessful enough, it was a top 10 album on both sides of the Atlantic.  Imagine that happening today.  BTW who cares what the critics think,  it's easier to sell mags by trashing something you don't understand then to invest time to understand something for something as banal as a positive album review. 
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Originally posted by laztraz laztraz wrote:

   I can't figure out why any Prog fan would not like this album.  Excellent.  Revealing Science of God is my favorite


easy, because people actually listen to the reviews instead of listening to the album itself.  Clear indication of that when people start bringing up all the supposedly 'padding' that happened.  The album is probably being judged in some cases with minds already made up, based on whatever they have read or heard.  I really didn't care for  it at first myself, but gave it time to grow on me and it's beauties and majesty were revealed to me.  Now it really would be THE desert island Yes album for me.
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Originally posted by Genesisprog Genesisprog wrote:

         There are four songs.Choose 2 stronger songs.Releace it as ordinary LP.

   Not double album.Then that album would have been more succesful.

  Music critics would have liked it more...

I agree. I would have edited the album down to parts of RSoG, second half of Rembering, Leaves of Green, first half of Ritual.

That would have been a great album on part with CttE.
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I think the main reason people like Topo is because it's a double album.

If you picked any two sides at random, like 1 and 2, or 3 and 4, would fans rate it ahead of Close to the Edge or Relayer? No.

I think most prog fans are somewhat deluded by double concept albums, like Lamb, Works or Topo. IMO, they're among the weaker releases by those bands.

And each of these albums was followed by damaged to the band. And Lamb was followed by Gabriel's departure, Topo prompted Wakeman to leave, and Works, well it led to Love Beach.
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Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

If you picked any two sides at random, like 1 and 2, or 3 and 4, would fans rate it ahead of Close to the Edge or Relayer? No.

Well obviously not, because the album works MUCH better when taken as one gigantic whole.  It's a single entity in four parts.

Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

I think most prog fans are somewhat deluded by double concept albums, like Lamb, Works or Topo. IMO, they're among the weaker releases by those bands.

Well, I can't speak for Works Volumes 1 or 2, because I haven't heard either of them, but they doesn't seem to get great glowing praise around here, so I don't think anyone's deluded by their length. And really, does the Lamb have one moment of filler (save the Waiting Room) in all ninety minutes?

It's kinda funny how different our views are, 'cause The Lamb and Topo are my favorite albums from their respective bands.  Guess I'm going to have to check out Works now!

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And the quality of Lamb didn't really have anything to do with Gabriel's departure, surely?  

Some clarification, please?

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The first time I listened to this album I was totally dissapointed. I just didn't GET it. But after my third time listening to it, I totally got used to all the random changes in tune and mood. And one track I still listen to over and over and OVER again is "The Revealing Science of God". It is simply one of the best songs I've ever heard.
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Originally posted by Syntharachnid Syntharachnid wrote:

And the quality of Lamb didn't really have anything to do with Gabriel's departure, surely?  

Some clarification, please?



not in anything I've ever heard, I believe the group knew (or strongly suspected) he was leaving after that album. 
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