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Reverie 
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 Posted: November 01 2005 at 20:01 |
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I don't think that part is weaker or anything, it's just softer. I find that to be the most interesting part of the song actually. I understand what you're saying though. It's like yin and yang - there needs to be a balance. The first band that came to my head while reading this thread is Opeth. They are one of the most contrasting bands around, and indeed without their softer sections they would not be the band they are. Because, as a number of poeple have now said, the different flavours enhance each other. A heavy riff seems so much heavier if it's just come from a soft section. And if it's done well it sounds fantastic too.
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Ty1020
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 20:30 |
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I don't think it has anything to do with certain sections being more
boring than others, because there's no way to measure how well music
engages the listener - it's completely subjective, and changes from
person to person. I know a lot of people who consider I Get Up, I Get
Down to be the best part of CttE, so obviously it's not boring for
everybody.
I do see what you mean though, but I think what you're really talking
about is just variety in music in general. We need softer, quieter
parts to balance out heavier, louder parts, but it has nothing to do
with how interesting the music is - it's just a matter of simple
variety. If I Get Up, I Get Down wasn't in Close to the Edge, the song
would be very boring because without the quiet interlude in the middle,
it'd probably get really monotonous.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 03:12 |
Well if you have taken the I get up, i get down part out of close to the edge and made a 3-4 minute song just about that it would have sounded quite weak...by the means that this riff aint strong enough to make up a song on its own...but as i said i defiently dont think this should have been taken out of the song...it is this part that makes the song a masterpiece and as i already have said it gives the song a contrast and serves as a teasing part of the song but i repeat it is NOT STRONG ENOUGH to make a song on its own...
And as usual you exaggerate the amount of Noise that is on the mars volta cd the "noise" bits are
The last 3 minutes of Cygnus Vismund Cygnus
The last 2 minutes of The Widow
The first 4 minutes of Miranda that ghost aint holy anymore...
A total of 9 minutes on a cd that is almost 79 minutes does not bother me...
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sleeper
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 08:59 |
 Ty1020 wrote:
I do see what you mean though, but I think what you're really talking about is just variety in music in general. We need softer, quieter parts to balance out heavier, louder parts, but it has nothing to do with how interesting the music is - it's just a matter of simple variety. If I Get Up, I Get Down wasn't in Close to the Edge, the song would be very boring because without the quiet interlude in the middle, it'd probably get really monotonous.
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You could take that further and aply it to music in general, Like we need the likes of the talantles McFly, for example, to show us just ho great prog is.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 11:20 |
sleeper wrote:
Ty1020 wrote:
I do see what you mean though, but I think what you're really talking about is just variety in music in general. We need softer, quieter parts to balance out heavier, louder parts, but it has nothing to do with how interesting the music is - it's just a matter of simple variety. If I Get Up, I Get Down wasn't in Close to the Edge, the song would be very boring because without the quiet interlude in the middle, it'd probably get really monotonous.
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You could take that further and aply it to music in general, Like we need the likes of the talantles McFly, for example, to show us just ho great prog is.
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Yes i spend my time watching the top 20's singles in norway...after 2 hours of that putting on yes, genesis or the residents feel so much better 
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sleeper
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 14:10 |
maidenrulez wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Ty1020 wrote:
I do see what you mean though, but I think what you're really talking about is just variety in music in general. We need softer, quieter parts to balance out heavier, louder parts, but it has nothing to do with how interesting the music is - it's just a matter of simple variety. If I Get Up, I Get Down wasn't in Close to the Edge, the song would be very boring because without the quiet interlude in the middle, it'd probably get really monotonous.
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You could take that further and aply it to music in general, Like we need the likes of the talantles McFly, for example, to show us just ho great prog is.
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Yes i spend my time watching the top 20's singles in norway...after 2 hours of that putting on yes, genesis or the residents feel so much better
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I dont know what the charts are like in Norway but here that would be one hell of a contrast
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 15:21 |
maidenrulez wrote:
Well if you have taken the I get up, i get down part out of close to the edge and made a 3-4 minute song just about that it would have sounded quite weak...by the means that this riff aint strong enough to make up a song on its own...but as i said i defiently dont think this should have been taken out of the song...it is this part that makes the song a masterpiece and as i already have said it gives the song a contrast and serves as a teasing part of the song but i repeat it is NOT STRONG ENOUGH to make a song on its own...
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Agreed. I Get Up I Get Down would not be a great song without Total Mass Retain, etc. But Close to the Edge would not be a great song without I Get Up I Get Down. Camel's Lady Fantasy has a similar structure, I think.
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Pseud0
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 17:34 |
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the first four minutes of miranda that ghost just aint holy anymore is incredible (as are all of the "noise" parts of frances)
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