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oliverstoned 
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 Posted: October 31 2005 at 05:19 |
 Syzygy wrote:
I suppose a prog version of the list might be
- Genesis without Gabriel
- Yes without Anderson
- Queen without Mercury
- Marillion without Fish
- Waters without Pink Floyd
- Can without Czukay
- Soft Machine without Ratledge
The only one of Ghandi's blunders I wouldn't personally support is number 6. I could add knowledge without understanding, style without substance, form without content, laws without justice and tests without purpose, which would accurately sum up the Thatcher, Major and Blair governments in the UK. |
What the hell "Queen" does in your list?
It's not prog!!
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: October 31 2005 at 03:11 |
OK! There's eight blunders in the world, they are...
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R o V e R
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Posted: October 31 2005 at 00:55 |
Power without responsibility
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Moogtron III
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 10:35 |
A serious one:
Freedom without boundaries
That's one from Mahatma Moogy
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Pafnutij
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 03:14 |
8.Mariah without sillicon
9. Orange Juice without pulp.
10. Pulp without Orange Juice
12. Cheeseburger without cheese.
12. Bush with a brain.
Edited by Pafnutij
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Fantômas
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Posted: October 29 2005 at 17:20 |
8. PA without walruses. 
Other list, in a similar way to that what Syzygy did:
1. The whole world of music without Billy Gould
2. Lynyrd Skynyrd without Ronnie VanZant
3. Flipper without Will Shatter
4. Pink Floyd without Syd Barrett
5. The Who without Keith Moon
6. Velvet Underground without Lou Reed
7. My bed without Jennifer Charles
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And above all, is punk 
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: October 29 2005 at 17:06 |
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Hibou
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Posted: October 29 2005 at 16:46 |
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Gene Police: You!! Out of the pool!
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goose
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Posted: October 29 2005 at 15:29 |
It's interesting - I was reading an essay by Orwell on Ghandi, and the second "blunder" seems taken to absurd (clarification later  ) extremes: Ghandi taught that we should not put condiments or flavourings on food because, rather than enjoying it, we should be eating purely to sustain ourselves. Now in his specific religious context (and assuming a belief that these plants have some puporse for existence other than being eaten)this is perfectly fine, but to everyone else it really is absurd - just because something is necessary, should we derive no pleasure from it? Of course the same can be said for his saying that sexual intercourse should be without pleasure, but far too many religions teach that for me to ridicule it
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Syzygy
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Posted: October 29 2005 at 15:04 |
Floyd without waters were actually OK IMO - not brilliant, but at least they sounded like the old Floyd and put on a good live show.
Similarly, Softs without Wyatt were never quite the same but they still made some enjoyable jazz fusion, like Gong did when Pierre Moerlen took over.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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NutterAlert
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Posted: October 29 2005 at 14:56 |
Syzygy wrote:
I suppose a prog version of the list might be
- Genesis without Gabriel
- Yes without Anderson
- Queen without Mercury
- Marillion without Fish
- Waters without Pink Floyd
- Can without Czukay
- Soft Machine without Ratledge
The only one of Ghandi's blunders I wouldn't personally support is
number 6. I could add knowledge without understanding, style without
substance, form without content, laws without justice and tests
without purpose, which would accurately sum up the Thatcher, Major and
Blair governments in the UK. |
I'd have said Softs without Wyatt
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Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005
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Ricochet
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Posted: October 29 2005 at 14:23 |
Syzygy wrote:
- Waters without Pink Floyd
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 not viceversa?
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James Lee
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Posted: October 29 2005 at 14:21 |
"x without y" presupposes that x is a desirable thing...and in my mind, that's debatable for the majority of the examples.
Plus, not all good things require suffering or sacrifice. That's a
major fallacy that so many people have bought into for so long that it
seems to us to be a given. That's part of why things like compassion,
charity and generosity often seem so difficult for us...
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Syzygy
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Posted: October 29 2005 at 14:05 |
I suppose a prog version of the list might be
- Genesis without Gabriel
- Yes without Anderson
- Queen without Mercury
- Marillion without Fish
- Waters without Pink Floyd
- Can without Czukay
- Soft Machine without Ratledge
The only one of Ghandi's blunders I wouldn't personally support is number 6. I could add knowledge without understanding, style without substance, form without content, laws without justice and tests without purpose, which would accurately sum up the Thatcher, Major and Blair governments in the UK.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Ricochet
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Posted: October 29 2005 at 13:39 |
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and there you go...the list is now officialy ruined...
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Logos
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Posted: October 29 2005 at 13:36 |
^ 8. Locking threads without sufficient reason?
Edited by Logos
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Ricochet
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Posted: October 29 2005 at 13:34 |
oh,dear,I think Tony R will lock this thread...it's so useful it just doesn't fit here...
for the quotes 
number III is my choice...
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Tony R
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Posted: October 29 2005 at 13:31 |
Ghandi described these as the 7 Blunders Of The World:
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"Seven Blunders of the World"
1. Wealth without work
2. Pleasure without conscience
3. Knowledge without character
4. Commerce without morality
5. Science without humanity
6. Worship without sacrifice
7. Politics without principle
—Mahatma Gandhi
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* Attributed to Gandhi in a December 15, 1998, article in 'Edupage'
1 and 4 are close to my heart.
Anyone add any more to this list? |
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