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Points: 1063 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 04:20
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

About new bands: I'll try to add bands which aren't in the archives to the chart - it started with the bands in the archives, but why not add other suggested bands as well? Eventually they might be added - or not, we'll see. Bands that are not yet in the archives are in italics, by the way.

SANCTIFICA  ( I dont know what to put them under, Avant/Experimental or Extreme)

DARKSTAR ( Instrumental,Avant/Experimental)
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Points: 1063 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2005 at 04:23

BTW

,Mike what is the link to the current version of the chart?
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Originally posted by Kohllapse Kohllapse wrote:

BTW

,Mike what is the link to the current version of the chart?


http://uneasy-listening.com/elements/apps/mreviews/https/P rogMetal.html



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Mike ,  here is the DARKSTAR link with MP3

http://members.aol.com/X1Darkstar/htmls/home.html

 



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^ thanks! I'll add links to all bands with mp3 anyway this weekend.
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Ive just checked out your new recatergarization of prog metal and it looks great. Theres only one thing i have to contest and that is that i belive that Dream Theater belongs in the symphonic ctagory and not Neo 
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Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Ive just checked out your new recatergarization of prog metal and it looks great. Theres only one thing i have to contest and that is that i belive that Dream Theater belongs in the symphonic ctagory and not Neo 

I know how you feel ... I'm also torn on this question. The problem is that several people who are very familiar with Neo-Prog suggested that they're neo - and I have to agree. IMO they're 60% neo, 40% symphonic.

But again: Those two categories are not carved in stone and there will be much fluctuation between neo and symphonic, and that's also why they will definitely be combined.

BTW: I renamed "Melodic Prog Metal" to "Symphonic Prog Metal" ... after all, Neo Prog is derived from Symphonic Prog.

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"Non-Metal"Prog Metal ,Thats funny
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Ive just checked out your new recatergarization of prog metal and it looks great. Theres only one thing i have to contest and that is that i belive that Dream Theater belongs in the symphonic ctagory and not Neo 

I know how you feel ... I'm also torn on this question. The problem is that several people who are very familiar with Neo-Prog suggested that they're neo - and I have to agree. IMO they're 60% neo, 40% symphonic.

But again: Those two categories are not carved in stone and there will be much fluctuation between neo and symphonic, and that's also why they will definitely be combined.

BTW: I renamed "Melodic Prog Metal" to "Symphonic Prog Metal" ... after all, Neo Prog is derived from Symphonic Prog.

http://uneasy-listening.com/elements/apps/mreviews/https/Pro gMetal.html

Ok that list makes even more sense. Im prbably just nit- picking but Dream Theater base their work on their technical abilaties too much for me to consider them Neo 
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Originally posted by Kohllapse Kohllapse wrote:

"Non-Metal"Prog Metal ,Thats funny

It's not meant as a new genre, but to keep track of bands that can probably be moved to non metal genres like Art Rock.
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Originally posted by Progzilla Progzilla wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I think that the really tough decision is between Neo and Symphonic, and that's why I most definitely will keep those two categories together. Maybe we can establish a set of rules that can determine whether a band is Neo or Symphonic, but at the moment I don't see how such a determination can be made. There are some bands which are obviously more Neo than Symphonic, and some that are more Smyphonic than Neo, but most of the bands are really both.

Hang on a minute. With the current split, will e.g. Dream Theater be in the category Melodic Metal or Neo Prog Metal or both or is it not decided yet? Are the subsubgenres in the bandsplit list just there for reference and information (as I interpret it) or will the name( i.e. Neo, Doom/Power, Orchestral/Gothic) actually be visible for the bands after the categorization?


Now Melodic is Symphonic, but I'm still curious about this.
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Originally posted by Progzilla Progzilla wrote:

Originally posted by Progzilla Progzilla wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I think that the really tough decision is between Neo and Symphonic, and that's why I most definitely will keep those two categories together. Maybe we can establish a set of rules that can determine whether a band is Neo or Symphonic, but at the moment I don't see how such a determination can be made. There are some bands which are obviously more Neo than Symphonic, and some that are more Smyphonic than Neo, but most of the bands are really both.

Hang on a minute. With the current split, will e.g. Dream Theater be in the category Melodic Metal or Neo Prog Metal or both or is it not decided yet? Are the subsubgenres in the bandsplit list just there for reference and information (as I interpret it) or will the name( i.e. Neo, Doom/Power, Orchestral/Gothic) actually be visible for the bands after the categorization?


Now Melodic is Symphonic, but I'm still curious about this.

Only one short name will be used ... right now I fancy "Symphonic Prog Metal", "Melodic Prog Metal" was a stupid idea. The next level of categorisation will not be visible on the site - for now, it may be visible some day, if more levels are supported AND the categories are stable. But I will mention the possible subcategories and the involved Metal styles in the genre description.



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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Kohllapse Kohllapse wrote:

"Non-Metal"Prog Metal ,Thats funny

It's not meant as a new genre, but to keep track of bands that can probably be moved to non metal genres like Art Rock.

I know, I just thought it was funny.
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Originally posted by Progzilla Progzilla wrote:


I'm wondering about many bands in the experimental category, the category itself is a bit vague. Mike, please feel free to justify the existence of the category, it's a bit unclear to me.

Looking at the description of extreme prog metal, I'd certainly put Spiral architect and Spastic Inc in Extreme. I even think Devin Townsend would fit there.

In the Woods, Opeth, Psychotic Walz, Anathema I find suitable in Heavy Prog Metal.

I'm not saying that these band are similar, I feel that Prog Metal bands are very rarely even remotely alike, but if we are splitting prog metal, then split it in a way that makes sense on a high level. There are certainly heavy elements in Opeth, Psychotic Walz and Anathema (but I wouln't associate them very strongly to melodic or extreme). Spiral Architect and Spastic Inc certainly have strong Extreme elements.

IMO, The experimental category is too hard to specify in order for it to be a useful category. The experimental attributes of the bands can be mentioned in other ways, e.g., on the band page of the bands, but do they justify a completely separate category? We are still looking at general categories (three in my mind) where the bands in one category are far from similar, but it's a huge improvement to what it has been with just Prog Metal.

What do you think? Am I all alone with my thoughts on the experimental category? What common denominator (that describe the music itself) do the bands in that category really have?

Aparently I am all alone on this one... Someone care to explain the experimental category to me?
By the way, the list has been updated once more, looking even better! Great job!
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Borknagar lumped in with Nightwish and Rhapsody? That doesn't make ANY sense whatsoever. They should definitely be in Extreme.
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Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

Borknagar lumped in with Nightwish and Rhapsody? That doesn't make ANY sense whatsoever. They should definitely be in Extreme.

Agreed  , also you must remember the chart is still "beta"

 Mike needs all the help he can get, so keep all your tips and suggestions coming .



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I dont think thats a bad way of sub-sub dividing prog metal, I persoanlly like it all but im not to sure about lumping JP in with the power genre of prog metal. To me prog is prog i like it all both new (new-prog, prog-metal) and old.
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Mikey! Really think You could move Orchestral & marry it with Power... Those genres have quite a lot in common... Gothic & Doom are often thought of as one genre, as Flossy wrote...

As for band categorizing, I'll only post if something really looks really wrong
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Can we still call these bands Prog Metal afterwards?Ermm
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