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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 06:43
Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

VERY GUITAR DRIVEN??? i have listened to about 60 queen songs and about 4-7 songs has a very DOMINANT  guitar and to me about 50 of these songs falls in the pop category...i hear what i hear and you can not change that if i hear a guitar thats dominant i dont think it is a piano just because i hate queen


I can't change what you hear but I can always recommend you to see a doctor, if your hearing problems are that bad .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 06:48

Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

VERY GUITAR DRIVEN??? i have listened to about 60 queen songs and about 4-7 songs has a very DOMINANT  guitar and to me about 50 of these songs falls in the pop category...i hear what i hear and you can not change that if i hear a guitar thats dominant i dont think it is a piano just because i hate queen


I can't change what you hear but I can always recommend you to see a doctor, if your hearing problems are that bad .

Hah the best thing would be if you could sit next beside me when i hear a queen album so you could point out this guitar driven rock band

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 07:18
Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Yes i know that most queen songs has guitars,,,but that is mostly in the background i have taken and listed various queen songs and the instruments that is most dominant in the song.

 

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Not synth.....electric piano

The problem it seems is that you want Queen to be a guitare driven hard rock band. Well, sometimes they are, but the beauty of Queen for many is the variety of Queens music played very well. Where would Zep have been if they'd stuck to their blues based formula? Nowhere, thats where

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 07:22
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Yes i know that most queen songs has guitars,,,but that is mostly in the background i have taken and listed various queen songs and the instruments that is most dominant in the song.

 

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Not synth.....electric piano

The problem it seems is that you want Queen to be a guitare driven hard rock band. Well, sometimes they are, but the beauty of Queen for many is the variety of Queens music played very well. Where would Zep have been if they'd stuck to their blues based formula? Nowhere, thats where

Wadever...anyways i prefer Queen's hard rock approach and i think the other stuff sounds too cheesy..but thats just me

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 07:32
Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Not synth.....electric piano

The problem it seems is that you want Queen to be a guitare driven hard rock band. Well, sometimes they are, but the beauty of Queen for many is the variety of Queens music played very well. Where would Zep have been if they'd stuck to their blues based formula? Nowhere, thats where

Wadever...anyways i prefer Queen's hard rock approach and i think the other stuff sounds too cheesy..but thats just me



Well at least we got you to admit that Queen had some hard rock and weren't just pop.

And to save you time: your comeback will probably be something along the lines of there only being a few hard rock songs, and that the rest are cheesy pop


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 07:56
Queen has always been a controversy band. I don't really hate them, but with the release of "The game" they turned into a plastic-pop-disco band, making it even worse with "Hot space" and the hilarious "Flash Soundtrack".
But let us be fair. Queen have also produced some memorable albums like "A night at the opera", "QueenII", "A day at the races" and "Sheer heart attack".
And were would the world be without rock-hymns like "We will rock you" and "We are the champions"???
Now, where's the prog in Queen?
The be honest, there's little prog to be found.
"Queen II" has some fine moments, and to pick "A night at the opera", maybe "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "The prophet's song".
But Queen never peformed ordinary rock. There was a bit of glam, show-off, upper class and drama.

Best albums: Queen II, A night at the opera, A day at the races (my favourite by the way)!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 08:04
Yep i have to agree with the cynic there...Queen is just not plain rock or plain pop but generally that glam thing and stuff wich i found cheesy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 08:26
Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Yep i have to agree with the cynic there...Queen is just not plain rock or plain pop but generally that glam thing and stuff wich i found cheesy


OK, that's something I can accept.  I like Queen, but you find them cheesy.  We're never going to convince each other, but we seem to have come to some sort of agreement.

Of course, this means we need to find something else we can argue about for such a long time
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 08:49

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Yep i have to agree with the cynic there...Queen is just not plain rock or plain pop but generally that glam thing and stuff wich i found cheesy


OK, that's something I can accept.  I like Queen, but you find them cheesy.  We're never going to convince each other, but we seem to have come to some sort of agreement.

Of course, this means we need to find something else we can argue about for such a long time

I am sure we will find something

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 09:40

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

I am sure we will find something

I've heard about 10 Iron Maiden albums and they were not metal, more like simple rock.

And where's the double bass drum in their music?!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 10:20
Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

I am sure we will find something

I've heard about 10 Iron Maiden albums and they were not metal, more like simple rock.

And where's the double bass drum in their music?!

I agree....

I've had this argument before thet Maiden are not Metal, aand I was attacked ruthlessly.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 15:20

Maiden are metal - anyone who says otherwise wasn't alive or old enough in the late 1970s. They were at the forefront of the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal for flip's sake! How much more Metal do you want?

Metal did not begin in 1991. It changed then, after Metallica (the most progressive metal band ever) released their self-titled album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 15:23
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Maiden are metal - anyone who says otherwise wasn't alive or old enough in the late 1970s. They were at the forefront of the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal for flip's sake! How much more Metal do you want?

Metal did not begin in 1991. It changed then, after Metallica (the most progressive metal band ever) released their self-titled album.

I thought you where the one calleing them a blues based hard rock band

Anyways metallice the most progressive metal band in the world...that sure is a bold statement..compared to Fantomas or bands like that they are nothing

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 15:26
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Maiden are metal - anyone who says otherwise wasn't alive or old enough in the late 1970s. They were at the forefront of the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal for flip's sake! How much more Metal do you want?

Metal did not begin in 1991. It changed then, after Metallica (the most progressive metal band ever) released their self-titled album.

I don't want to get into this one again, I was around as you know! You call them metal if you like, doesn't bother me...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 15:54

I really, really don't believe you, Snow Dog...

It's just incredible to think that anyone who is actually alive doesn't know Iron Maiden to be a metal band. You're right. It's a hopeless and one-sided argument that's pointless to continue, as everyone else knows the truth!

http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Heavy_metal_music

http://www.metal-rules.com/polls/top100/top100.htm

http://www.epinions.com/musc-Top_10_Heavy_Metal (just see how many of these lists have Iron Maiden in them)

http://www.geocities.com/metallurgy44/genres.html

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-heavy-metal-genres

http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/New_Wave_of_British_Hea vy_Metal

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 16:00
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I really, really don't believe you, Snow Dog...

It's just incredible to think that anyone who is actually alive doesn't know Iron Maiden to be a metal band. You're right. It's a hopeless and one-sided argument that's pointless to continue, as everyone else knows the truth!

Do they, my friend, who is a lifelong Maiden fan is of the same opinion as I, so I'm not quite alone you see....nevermind, it is of no consequence.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 16:02
Both of you in blissful ignorance - how sweet

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 16:04
Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Maiden are metal - anyone who says otherwise wasn't alive or old enough in the late 1970s. They were at the forefront of the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal for flip's sake! How much more Metal do you want?

Metal did not begin in 1991. It changed then, after Metallica (the most progressive metal band ever) released their self-titled album.

I thought you where the one calleing them a blues based hard rock band

Anyways metallice the most progressive metal band in the world...that sure is a bold statement..compared to Fantomas or bands like that they are nothing

Er... I think you're remembering in Chinese whispers.

Read some of the links - Heavy Metal music is founded in blues based hard rock. That's closer to what I would have said... wherever/whenever it was.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 16:05

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Both of you in blissful ignorance - how sweet

You're patronising arrogance is something I have come to expect from you now, so no surprise there then. I expect you'll have the last word though!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 16:17
Maybe it would be easier to see beyond your own tastes and actually acknowledge the musical complexity and quality that lies in most of Queen's Album, Tracks such as Bohemian Rhapsody or The Prophet's song, Love of my Life, Killer Queen, Innuendo,etc  are beyond what any of most so called prog bands could achieve, incredible choirs and harmonys, layered guitars, harmonised in 6th and 3ds, a guy that has an unique astronomic pitch range, etc.
Yes, they did crappy pop songs, like Yes and Genesis did in their time, but that does no take credit from what was done earlier in their carrier, in the times of Queen II and A Night at the Opera.

Pardon my english :P .


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