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SlipperFink 
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 Posted: October 21 2005 at 21:25 |
 yargh wrote:
Kansas failed with US audiences BECAUSE they were just ripping off the
UK bands. The US audiences who were into prog were at least smart
enough to know the real thing from a fraud. Kansas had to become an
AOR band to capture middle America (metal-lovin' clods who also
boogied to Styx and Journey) and, with Leftoverture, they became that
AOR band.
Symphonic prog was born in the UK. Kansas copied the elements and
added bluesy/folksy touches that stamped them as being from the US. I
need not point out passages that were lifted from Yes to know that
Kansas owed their existence to Yes.
There ya have it, ya big headbangin', AOR lovin' brute!
There's nothing like a retread, and Kansas sure were a bunch of
retreads. |
Kansas had about as much 'folk' in them as Ministry.
Try 'Country' ya hack.
Anyhoo.
Yer on pills. If you wanna start playing the "what came from where" game
I'm gonna hand you yer ass 60 ways to Sunday. 'Cause ALL these kids
were biting from the same 20 Classical composers.... And Kansas bit a
FEW of the same bunch as Yes. Most notably Handel and Stravinsky.
And if you think the Brits had a stranglehold on that dealio... Yer beyond
delusional.
READ MY ORIGINAL POST AND LEARN SOMETHING.
You can do it.
Be a good little progger.
SM.
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yargh
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Posted: October 21 2005 at 21:33 |
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Slipperfink -- it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about, since you apparently have zero grasp of musical components or musical history. You're also probably about 16, like many of the other contributors to this site -- clearly you think and write like one, whatever your biological age may be -- and if you think you can get me to share my own wealth of knowledge on the likes of you, you'll have to be a lot nicer and try a lot harder. Baseless statements and poorly-worded retorts just ain't gettin' it done.
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SlipperFink
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Posted: October 21 2005 at 21:56 |
yargh wrote:
Slipperfink -- it's clear you have no idea what you're
talking about, since you apparently have zero grasp of musical
components or musical history. You're also probably about 16, like many
of the other contributors to this site -- clearly you think and write like
one, whatever your biological age may be -- and if you think you can get
me to share my own wealth of knowledge on the likes of you, you'll have
to be a lot nicer and try a lot harder. Baseless statements and poorly-
worded retorts just ain't gettin' it done. |
Right.
I was around and PLAYING prog for A LIVING.... when all this silly tom-
foolery went down laddie-buck.
What you have above is a pretty accurate opinion of yerself.
You still gotta read that first post of mine in this thread... 'cause yer
taking a drubbing here, and I'm starting to pity you.
SM.
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yargh
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Posted: October 21 2005 at 21:59 |
SlipperFink wrote:
yargh wrote:
Slipperfink -- it's clear you have no idea what you're
talking about, since you apparently have zero grasp of musical
components or musical history. You're also probably about 16, like many
of the other contributors to this site -- clearly you think and write like
one, whatever your biological age may be -- and if you think you can get
me to share my own wealth of knowledge on the likes of you, you'll have
to be a lot nicer and try a lot harder. Baseless statements and poorly-
worded retorts just ain't gettin' it done. |
Right.
I was around and PLAYING prog for A LIVING.... when all this silly tom-
foolery went down laddie-buck.
SM. |
Then I would say you have very few excuses for your lack of insight. Carry on... my wayward son!
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SlipperFink
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Posted: October 21 2005 at 23:20 |
yargh wrote:
Then I would say you have very few excuses for your lack of insight.
Carry on... my wayward son! |
This is the point at which I thank you for your startling insights, your
continued patronage of the band, your impeccable taste in music and
drugs... and leave quietly by the service door.
With
your
girlfriend.
She can explain my positions to you later.
HOHOHO.
Musta rolled that move 2 or 3 dozen times on GROUPIES like you, back
when Prog was a living music.
SM.
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Lorak
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Posted: October 22 2005 at 03:53 |
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Thread title is quite profound. A Rant on the 80's with Emphasis on RANT!
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Two heads are better than one, but if you want something done right, do it yourself.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained, but better safe than sorry.
Look before you leap, but he who hesitates is lost
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: October 22 2005 at 09:43 |
It was an unintended and unfortunate choice of words, that was obviously misconstrued and allowed the thread to degenerate into rather silly chest-thumping that had really nothing to do with music. My apologies to all for starting the thread to being with.
"Patriotism is a lively sense of collective responsibility. Nationalism is a silly cock crowing on its own dunghill and calling for larger spurs and brighter beaks. I fear that nationalism is one of England's many spurious gifts to the world."
-- Richard Aldington
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus
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SlipperFink
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Posted: October 22 2005 at 10:05 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
It was an unintended and unfortunate choice of
words, that was obviously
misconstrued and allowed the thread to degenerate into rather silly
chest-thumping that had really nothing to do with music. My apologies
to all for starting the thread to being with. |
OK. Why don't you take yer toys and go play quietly in the corner...?
Let's make it impossibly simple and clear for you freaks:
Kansas was better as a rock band than a prog band.
End of story.
The ship of fools sailing this moribund thread should read my original
post OVER AND OVER.
But that would require some small effort... and an open mind.... And this
is "ProgHippieSlackerFanWannaBeCentral".
Where everyone is an expert.
Including me.
HOHOHO.
Lighten up.
It's a nerdo prog music site on the internot.
SM.
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stinkfist
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Posted: October 22 2005 at 10:27 |
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in my opinion i think kansas made a great prog band
but thats just me talking
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how can this mean anything to me?
when i really dont feel a thing at all
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Posted: October 22 2005 at 11:57 |
Kansas are my most loved band.. they have many faces to their music from commercial hits like Carry on wayward son and Dust in the wind, to less commercial ventures like Magnum Opus or Closet Chronicles .. those few people comparing Kansas to ELP I believe know little about what they are talking about , many people make a big mistake by thinking because they have heard Kansas on Radio they know the band. Kansas have many sides that only true Kansas fans would know about. Leftoverture is brilliant prog... Song For America is brilliant prog .. Masque has some great moments so does Point of know return and their live CD Two For The Show is one of the best LiveCD`s ever made. I am Australian and I love Kansas ! the 80`s stuff from kansas is a little hit and miss .. in the spirit of things is steve walshs personal favourite CD from kansas ever .. though I wouldn`t go that far myself I do believe its a great CD power kicks ass .. morse helped it along nicely .. Drastic measures was interesting first time I played it I hated it but the kansas zap got me after a few listens (Livgren suffered writters block so aproach with caution as the elefonte brothers wrote most of it) I hope my input is useful n stuff 
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SlipperFink
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Posted: November 06 2005 at 02:18 |
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AND HERE IT IS!!!!!
WHOOOOEEEEE!!!
GOD BLESS POLITZANIA!
SM.
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