QUEEN VS DREAM THEATER

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Actually, there are some pretty divine melodies on Queen II ... Fairy Feller, White Queen, Ogre Battle, Black Queen ... and on their other albums as well. IMHO one might even say that Queen are one of the ten bands with the best sense for melody.

Master of melody=Iron Maiden...listen to Sign of the cross...nobody is better in terms of timechanges

 DT are good musicians but they never could move me like queen.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Actually, there are some pretty divine melodies on Queen II ... Fairy Feller, White Queen, Ogre Battle, Black Queen ... and on their other albums as well. IMHO one might even say that Queen are one of the ten bands with the best sense for melody.

Master of melody=Iron Maiden...listen to Sign of the cross...nobody is better in terms of timechanges

Certif1ed wrote: AtLossForWords wrote: There is no way i would ever consider Queen to be better than Dream Thetaer.  Queen was somewhat original for their time, but Dream Theater is a band that i consider to be one of the most creative ever despite the lack of creativity in the later two albums.   Queen II is far more creative than all the Dream Theater catalogue combined.   Dream Theater are many things, but original is not really one of them - now let's be honest here. Where are the borrowed riffs in any of Queen's material? And hand-in-hand with originality goes creativity. And the scope of Queen's work is phenomenal - practically unmatched by any band. I could start with the unparalleled vocal harmonies and go from there...

That's quite unfair. Queen II was written in the early 70s, Dream Theater started in the 90s. When I listen to 80s Queen I hear a LOT of borrowed riffs. And even in their 70s work there are MANY concepts they took from 20s/30s/40s music.

BTW: It's funny ... I saw that you had posted in this thread and knew EXACTLY what you had posted.

AtLossForWords wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Certif1ed wrote: AtLossForWords wrote: There is no way i would ever consider Queen to be better than Dream Thetaer.  Queen was somewhat original for their time, but Dream Theater is a band that i consider to be one of the most creative ever despite the lack of creativity in the later two albums.   Queen II is far more creative than all the Dream Theater catalogue combined.   Dream Theater are many things, but original is not really one of them - now let's be honest here. Where are the borrowed riffs in any of Queen's material? And hand-in-hand with originality goes creativity. And the scope of Queen's work is phenomenal - practically unmatched by any band. I could start with the unparalleled vocal harmonies and go from there... That's quite unfair. Queen II was written in the early 70s, Dream Theater started in the 90s. When I listen to 80s Queen I hear a LOT of borrowed riffs. And even in their 70s work there are MANY concepts they took from 20s/30s/40s music. BTW: It's funny ... I saw that you had posted in this thread and knew EXACTLY what you had posted. i totally disagree, maybe if you were to say that Queen II is more creative than a single Dream Theater album, you might have a fair position.  You error in saying that it's more creative than the entire Dream Theater discography.  Let me reminded that this discography spans from a hair metal progressive album with Charlie Dominci on When Dream and Day Unite to Progressive Thrash Metal on Train of Thought.  This alone means that Dream Theater has had a varied career.  Going further into creativity, how can you doubt a band that makes a song like Dance of Eternity, a straight ahead tech song and throws a ragtime piano solo in the middle, or the brilliance of Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, which i consider to be a musically flawless albums, especially after studying it.

Your post doesn't have anything to do with mine. The highlighted statement couldn't be more far from the truth ... it's obvious that you intended to answer to Certif1ed's post.

Let me summarize my post in simple words:

• I don't think that Queen are better than Dream Theater.
• I don't think that Queen II is better than any of the Dream Theater masterpieces ... it MIGHT be better than WDADU.
• The bands are not really comparable anyway.

Certif1ed wrote: Manunkind wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Silly poll - apples vs aardvarks, but no contest; Queen have it completely sewn up - they're one of the best bands in the archives (at their best, that is...). As for "pop rock", that statement clearly comes from someone who has never heard Queen II. And this is the point - Queen have one excellent album, whereas DT have at least four.  I don't think that's true - Queen have 4 excellent albums, some good albums and a couple of naff albums, while DT have only naff albums.

Your posts show one of two things.  One, you're a Queen fanboy, or two, you just really hate progressive metal. 

You like to draw conclusions based on trivial evidence then?

 Queen did some good stuff, but their music is not as original as everyone puts it up to be. 

Oh yes it is.

Can you actually say why it isn't?

 Queen was different for their time. 

...and different <> original?

 They didn't sound like the typical hard rock band from late '70s.  They sounded more influence by '40s jazz. 

Er... how so? And isn't that extremely progressive?

We're yet to talk about insturmental might of either of these bands, and i think the reason why is that Dream Theater is a CLEAR victor there.

That's not a reason - that's your opinion. Squeaky clean virtuosity with no actual compositional skills vs over average playing with exceptional compositional skills. I guess Queen win that one actually. Sorry to break it to you, like.

  John Myung has talent that is so far beyond John Deacon,

Possibly, but I bet John Myung would get bored doing JD bass lines. JD did what was right for Queen, just as Ringo Starr did what was right for the Beatles. I doubt very much that Mike Portnoy could have ever replaced Ringo. It's a silly comparison, as I said.

Rudess is a full time keyboardist as opposed to the spoofs Mercury did on piano,

Mercury's "spoofs" were often inspired and full of great humour and drama, and showed musical education - as you said, sometimes the music sounded like it came from a bygone age - now that's skill. Rudess, well, I'll reserve my opinions on his playing for when I can be bothered, but his choice of sounds sucks donkeys!

but i will say Petrucci and May would be a good comparison in creativity  and skill.

Hahahahahaha!  Nice one! Comparing Ocelots and Oranges - what's the point?

How about Mercury versus LaCheese? You left that one out. I wonder why

  Insturmentally, Dream Theater rapes Queen.

That's so sick, dude.

And unsupported opinion too. Opinions are like, well, you know...