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horza
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 13:45 |
he became a bit neurotic i think and just left to pursue his own ideas - these toffee nosed public schoolboy types always had issues
what do you call maoris on prozac ?
once were worriers
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Garion81
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 13:55 |
margaret wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
chopper's the nearest..
Friedkin wanted Gabriel to work on a film project with him, as a writer NOT a musician. The director had read the short story on the back of the 1973 live album and loved the imagery..
Apart from that, the band started to get fed up with the medias focus on Gabriels theatrics. The Slipperman costume was the last straw. Gabriel felt the bands opposition to what he was doing and was also becoming uncomfatable with the spotlight being on him all the time. He announced his departure during the tour and played his last concert in France. He apparently played the Last Post on his oboe before going on stage that night, and nearly had everyone in tears before going on..
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which movie, during that time frame....the Exorcist ('73)??? |
The Exorcist would have been created and shot in 1971-2 for a 73 release so that is impossible. I believe there was an understanding between Gabriel and Fiedkin to have a new project based on Peters idea/script.
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margaret
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 13:56 |
Garion81 wrote:
margaret wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
chopper's the nearest..
Friedkin wanted Gabriel to work on a film project with him, as a writer NOT a musician. The director had read the short story on the back of the 1973 live album and loved the imagery..
Apart from that, the band started to get fed up with the medias focus on Gabriels theatrics. The Slipperman costume was the last straw. Gabriel felt the bands opposition to what he was doing and was also becoming uncomfatable with the spotlight being on him all the time. He announced his departure during the tour and played his last concert in France. He apparently played the Last Post on his oboe before going on stage that night, and nearly had everyone in tears before going on..
| which movie, during that time frame....the Exorcist ('73)??? |
The Exorcist would have been created and shot in 1971-2 for a 73 release so that is impossible. I believe there was an understanding between Gabriel and Fiedkin to have a new project based on Peters idea/script. |
I thought the timeframe wasn't right. and to be honest, The Exorcist and The French Connection are all I remember from Fiedkin in the 70's.
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Dennis
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 14:53 |
There's nothing left of a beaten horse except dust. Why don't you ask why the classic group won't reform for a reunion?
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horza
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 15:53 |
Dennis wrote:
There's nothing left of a beaten horse except dust. Why don't you ask why the classic group won't reform for a reunion?
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in this months classic rock magazine steve hackett implied that a reunion/tour is NOT out of the question
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Fishy
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 16:20 |
some of the quoted reasons are right but one of the most important reasons was that Gabriel wanted to spend more time with his wife and child which is hard if you're constant touring in another part of the world. He also was fed up with the rock business in general and wanted room for other projects which the band prevented him to do.
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 17:10 |
In August 1975, Peter Gabriel wrote this letter explaining his reasons for leaving Genesis. He personally delivered it to the English press:
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I had a dream, eye's dream. Then I had another dream with the body and soul of a rock star. When it didn't feel good I packed it in. Looking back for the musical and non-musical reasons, this is what I came up with:
OUT, ANGELS OUT - an investigation.
The vehicle we had built as a co-op to serve our songwriting became our master and had cooped us up inside the success we had wanted. It affected the attitudes and the spirit of the whole band. the music had not dried up and I still respect the other musicians, but our roles had set in hard. To get an idea through "Genesis the Big" meant shifting a lot more concrete than before. For any band, transferring the heart from idealistic enthusiasm to professionalism is a difficult operation.
I believe the use of sound and visual images can be developed to do much more than we have done. But on a large scale it needs one clear and coherent direction, which our pseudo-democratic committee system could not provide.
As an artist, I need to absorb a wide variety of experiences. It is difficult to respond to intuition and impulse within the long-term planning that the band needed. I felt I should look at/learn about/develop myself, my creative bits and pieces and pick up on a lot of work going on outside music. Even the hidden delights of vegetable growing and community living are beginning to reveal their secrets. I could not expect the band to tie in their schedules with my bondage to cabbages. The increase in money and power, if I had stayed, would have anchored me to the spotlights. It was important to me to give space to my family, which I wanted to hold together, and to liberate the daddy in me.
Although I have seen and learnt a great deal in the last seven years, I found I had begun to look at things as the famous Gabriel, despite hiding my occupation whenever possible, hitching lifts, etc. I had begun to think in business terms; very useful for an often bitten once shy musician, but treating records and audiences as money was taking me away from them. When performing, there were less shivers up and down the spine. I believe the world has soon to go through a difficult period of changes. I'm excited by some of the areas coming through to the surface which seem to have been hidden away in people''s minds. I want to explore and be prepared to be open and flexible enough to respond, not tied in to the old hierarchy.
Much of my psyche's ambitions as "Gabriel archetypal rock star" have been fulfilled - a lot of the ego-gratification and the need to attract young ladies, perhaps the result of frequent rejection as "Gabriel acne-struck public school boy". However, I can still get off playing the star game once in a while.
My future within music, if it exists, will be in as many situations as possible. It''s good to see a growing number of artists breaking down the pigeonholes. This is the difference between the profitable, compartmentalized, battery chicken and the free-range. Why did the chicken cross the road anyway?
There is no animosity between myself and the band or management. The decision had been made some time ago and we have talked about our new direction. The reason why my leaving was not announced earlier was because I had been asked to delay until they had found a replacement to plug up the hole. It is not impossible that some of them might work with me on other projects.
The following guesswork has little in common with truth:
Gabriel left Genesis
1) To work in theatre.
2) To make more money as a solo artist.
3) To do a "Bowie".
4) To do a "Ferry".
5) To do a "Furry Boa round my neck and hang myself with it".
6) To go see an institution.
7) To go senile in the sticks.
I do not express myself adequately in interviews and I felt I owed it to the people who have put a lot of love and energy supporting the band to give an accurate picture of my reasons. So I ask that you print all or none of this.
Peter Gabriel
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 17:17 |
I told everyone my theory on why Gabriel left in another thread. It was all
planned. You could tell at the end of the lamb if you read the lyrics that
Gabriel finished what he wanted to express with Genesis. That's my thought
anyway.
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
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horza
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 17:44 |
^^ thanks flipstone - that about sums it up then
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Posted: October 13 2005 at 01:49 |
by George I think we've got it!
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Posted: October 13 2005 at 03:44 |
Blacksword wrote:
Apart from that, the band started to get fed up with the medias focus on Gabriels theatrics. |
The constant focus on Gabriel was a cause of friction in the band - this is a story I read in one of their (many) biographies:
Just after he left Genesis, Steve Hackett was at Alex Harvey's end of tour party when he apparently overheard someone saying in a stage whisper that Genesis would have to fold because Gabriel was Genesis. Hackett was so angry, he crushed the wine glass he was holding and the subsequent injury delayed recording the first post-Gabriel album.
Don't know if this story is true, or apocryphal, but it sums up the mood in the Genesis camp in the mid 1970s
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Posted: October 13 2005 at 06:57 |
ozricman wrote:
he didn't like being a rock star |
That's odd because now he IS a rock star.
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M. B. Zapelini
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Posted: October 13 2005 at 07:16 |
Personnally, I don't mind why Gabriel left Genesis... I am more curious to discover why he never thought of rejoining Genesis!!
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 13 2005 at 07:50 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Apart from that, the band started to get fed up with the medias focus on Gabriels theatrics. |
The constant focus on Gabriel was a cause of friction in the band - this is a story I read in one of their (many) biographies:
Just after he left Genesis, Steve Hackett was at Alex Harvey's end of tour party when he apparently overheard someone saying in a stage whisper that Genesis would have to fold because Gabriel was Genesis. Hackett was so angry, he crushed the wine glass he was holding and the subsequent injury delayed recording the first post-Gabriel album.
Don't know if this story is true, or apocryphal, but it sums up the mood in the Genesis camp in the mid 1970s |
I read that story too, but with a slightly different slant. In Hugh Fielders 'Book of Genesis' Steve Hackett claimed that he overheard someone say that 'Alex's band would be nothing without Alex Harvey' Hackett said it was as if someone had said 'Genesis will be nothing without Gabriel' This caused him to break the glass in his hand.
Either way you're right about the tension that must have existed among them at the time. Now I know why the first three tracks on Trick of the Tail were laid down pretty much without Hackett!
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 13 2005 at 07:54 |
margaret wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
chopper's the nearest..
Friedkin wanted Gabriel to work on a film project with him, as a writer NOT a musician. The director had read the short story on the back of the 1973 live album and loved the imagery..
Apart from that, the band started to get fed up with the medias focus on Gabriels theatrics. The Slipperman costume was the last straw. Gabriel felt the bands opposition to what he was doing and was also becoming uncomfatable with the spotlight being on him all the time. He announced his departure during the tour and played his last concert in France. He apparently played the Last Post on his oboe before going on stage that night, and nearly had everyone in tears before going on..
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which movie, during that time frame....the Exorcist ('73)??? |
Well, I guess you've had you question answered, but as a fellow Hawkfan, I felt I should just commend you on your signature..
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Posted: October 13 2005 at 19:47 |
Peter Gabriel is my hero but I have to admit that for a long time he has been a very complex personality. Once the parents of his first wife Jill thought he was a schizophrenic! And when Jill watched her Peter for the first time on stage during The lamb lies down on Broadway she yelled " I wish he was so sexy at home"... Peter discovered that his stage antics were a perfect way to sublimate lots of anger and frustrations but in the end he got desillusioned because the music press and the fans didn't look at Peter as a musician but as an actor who was the face of Genesis. Indeed, the lyrics from Solsbury Hill point at that: " ..part of the scenery.." and " .. walk right out of the machinery..". Peter's departure from Genesis was a real escape, if you read the books about him you will discover how much was wrong in that period (some comments in this topic mention those facts)! Later he went in many years of psycho-therapeutical help in order to learn to cope with his underpressed feelings and emotions, as so many upper-middle class boys from South-England!
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Posted: October 29 2005 at 22:09 |
Thought he was to good, and he was. Not to say that Genesis is a bad band is one of the best.
300 Posts, Peter would be proud.
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"Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day"
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Gomurisu
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Posted: February 10 2006 at 16:35 |
Interesting, Peter Gabriel performed at the opening ceremony of Torino's Olympic Games. His voice is still pretty good. Go Pete! o/
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Posted: February 10 2006 at 18:01 |
^ Yeah, I was lucky to be watching the opening ceremony and could not believe it when I saw him at the piano! I had no idea that he was going to perform. It was so great to hear his version of Imagine
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Posted: February 10 2006 at 19:31 |
Peter Gabriel is my hero but I have to admit that for a long time he has been a very complex personality. Once the parents of his first wife Jill thought he was a schizophrenic! And when Jill watched her Peter for the first time on stage during The lamb lies down on Broadway she yelled " I wish he was so sexy at home"... Peter discovered that his stage antics were a perfect way to sublimate lots of anger and frustrations but in the end he got desillusioned because the music press and the fans didn't look at Peter as a musician but as an actor who was the face of Genesis. Indeed, the lyrics from Solsbury Hill point at that: " ..part of the scenery.." and " .. walk right out of the machinery..". Peter's departure from Genesis was a real escape, if you read the books about him you will discover how much was wrong in that period (some comments in this topic mention those facts)! Later he went in many years of psycho-therapeutical help in order to learn to cope with his underpressed feelings and emotions, as so many upper-middle class boys from South-England! ..>>>
Very interesting insight. thank you.
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