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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 22:00
Originally posted by SevenColoured SevenColoured wrote:

Originally posted by Useful_Idiot Useful_Idiot wrote:

If you could lay off the insults, I'm sure we'd all appreciate it.

 

What insults?  



Your insults of Hugues reviews and taste
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 22:02
jeez why call him insane, hes a pretty valuable member on this site and a real funny guy to boot
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 22:02
I wonder what HC has to say about this??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 22:04
Originally posted by meurglysIII meurglysIII wrote:

Originally posted by SevenColoured SevenColoured wrote:

Originally posted by Useful_Idiot Useful_Idiot wrote:

If you could lay off the insults, I'm sure we'd all appreciate it.

 

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Your insults of Hugues reviews and taste

I hope you dont understand me wrong, i´m not saying that hugues have bad taste, i just hope that he put arguments on that reviews to people understand why he give´s that one or two stars

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 22:13
For a site whose purpose it is to assign grades to the life's work of musicians, it seems unfair to get bent out of shape insofar as criticisms of the reviewers.  If Hugues' 1-star reviews are acceptable as long they honestly represent his opinion, SevenColoured's 1-star reviews of Hugues should be equally legit (assuming his words accurately represent his opinions).        
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 00:46
Although his music taste sucks ( just kidding Hugues ) he's a very nice person and has done loads and loads of very informative reviews.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 00:56
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 01:34
Originally posted by SevenColoured SevenColoured wrote:

Originally posted by meurglysIII meurglysIII wrote:

Originally posted by SevenColoured SevenColoured wrote:

Originally posted by Useful_Idiot Useful_Idiot wrote:

If you could lay off the insults, I'm sure we'd all appreciate it.

 

What insults?  



Your insults of Hugues reviews and taste

I hope you dont understand me wrong, i´m not saying that hugues have bad taste, i just hope that he put arguments on that reviews to people understand why he give´s that one or two stars

You're asking "What insults?" ... well, I would call "reviews of sh*t" an insult, man. Big thumbs down emoticons don't help either.

You can edit posts, you know.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 02:15
To answer the original question ''YES''  (we love you though!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 02:17

Hugues is not insane, no.

I admit that he and I have very different tastes; he has rated many of my favourite albums (including The Snow Goose and several Horslips albums) very low. But that's his opinion and I have to respect it even though I don't agree. Why? because he's put together a review to justify his views. I have reviewed them and put the alternative viewpoint. That's what this site is for.

The people I have an issue with are "reviewers" like tamtam, jordisubir,oscar n,carles and the like who rate all of some bands' albums 5* and all of some others 1 or 2* without reviews to enlighten the rest of us as to their (obviously stunning) critical skills. It's all extremes. (Hugues tends to rate to the middle which is far more realistic. There are also one or two reviewers who seem incapable of giving much less than 5* but perhaps this is because they are reviewing their favourites first.)

What they mean is 5* - I like this band. 1* - I don't like this band. That's not what the rating/ review system is for. (I don't like much of Dream Theater but I would not give one of their albums 1* because their musicianship is first class.) These cretins should put up (and actually review) or shut up.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 02:18
I don’t see what the problem is. That he has an opinion that differs from yours? Personally, I prefer reviewers honestly expressing their real opinion to these people who do things like give five stars to, say, Love Beach simply because they’re too blinded by fanboyism to admit that their favourite band produced a dog.

And frankly, I’d say he’s being too lenient with Stupid Dream

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 02:25
Can just one or two sentences be called a ''review''?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 03:09
It is not open-minded calling “insane” someone just because he/she writing reviews against our point of view. However, a reviewer who has a dreadful opinion against a well known four/five stars album should perfectly substantiate his/her statement.

On different “score”, if we have to choose what is the best for PA’s aim?

a) Good guy -> bad reviewer or
b) Good reviewer -> bad guy?

Let’s be honest about it…

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 03:16

I disagree with Hughes' review on The Snow Goose, but that is his free opinion!!

I never thought to use such words to express my disagreement!Stern Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 03:29

Hello Andrea.

In Holland we use to say "Don't mind, he's from Belgium" ...  ..! By the way, Hughes tend to nail the average fine melodic prog and tend to hail the more weird and special prog, especially from the late Sixties and early Seventies. He writes a bit like like reviewer Mike who nailed progrock masterpieces from Museo Rosenbach and England ..   ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 03:49

SevenColoured,

The thtiel of your thread, and the way you presented it, appeared to be a personal attack on another member. This of course breaches site rules.

You are making a valid point, and as Useful Idiot says, Hugues is all too aware that some of his early reviews need updating. He is working his way through them.

I have amended the title of your thread, and moved it to the appropriate section.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 04:10

Hi SevenCouloured!!!!

Well with such friends defending me , who needs lawyers? Thanks buddies!!!

Insane? Of course I am , Thanks for noticing!!! Did you think for a second my reviewing of almost 1400 albums is the work of somebody with a sound mind??? If so , you are the insane one!!

Ok , I said before that I have some of those early reviews to touch up (actually I have done roughly half of them , as Bob/Easy - our review moderator would attest ), because when I first started writing reviews, I started as with humorous ones meant to be read album after album (most of the review pages were completely blank back then) but as time went on , it made less and less sense, (but you should've read the suite of reviews of Styx , Rush, Saga , Camel written back then, It was funny, at least I had a ball with them) , then M@X insisted on my  joining up as Prog Reviewer.

 Which I did after a few weeks reflection, awed at the task of rewriting some already 400 reviews that were meant as jokes or simple comments: the review guidelines were not quite as strong and severe as now,  there was no fifty words rule either , and no-one was checking them out).

But I stand by my opinions , and will rewrite some reviews to make them more professional , but it does not mean that you will like them any better!!

As for Porcupine Tree , most japanese 80's symphonic prog (you missed those!!!!) , Snow Goose (as such it is not a bad album , it puts me to sleep but does not stop me from sleeping either) , and a few others ones (I think some of the more hilarious are not to be touched - Cured from Steve Hackett and Caution,Radiation from Area are real classic reviews in their own right.

As for Wakeman , he by himself brought laughter on the prog rock realm with his incredibly pompous Holiday on Ice show to go along with the Arthur tour , and his star-sprinkled capes only rivalled Liberace's !! But the man is funny and not to be taken too seriously! Except for him reading the news or eating Bami Goreng during Squire's bass solos!!

I suppose that if Mike Oldfield dishes out a new disc called The Revenge Of The Son Of The Dog of Tubullar Bells , you will rush out and buy it and place it on your altair and refer it to it as the latest wonder mankind built!

Poland specialized in neo-prog bands in the early 90's (Collage , Quidam , Abraxas, and Lizard)> I got suckered many times into buying albums I did not like once I got home, but never got rid of them without having given them a real chance! (you might want to read my review of the last Twin Age album or is it the last Valinor's Tree???)

I was expecting soon or later someone to raise the subject, and the suspense was intolerable, but you won!!!!!

First prize: one week with Phil Collins stuck on a boat while crossing the Atlantic and on;ly his discography on board!!! How's that for insanity?!?!?!?!

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 05:41
Originally posted by SevenColoured SevenColoured wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

It's Hugues's personal opinion. You can't call him insane for not liking an album you like.

" We suggest you listen to an album several times before writing a review. It can take a number of listens to Prog albums in particular to begin to appreciate the music. "

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He makes the oppose  

I'm sure that Hugues can (and will) speak for himself, but just to clear a couple of points up - I know for a fact that his normal practice is to have an album playing as he reviews it. He has access to a pretty awesome music library in Brussels, as well as having a highly impressive collection of his own.

He was also one of the first people to review many of the 1000 plus albums he has written about - he was here in the days when the only albums which had been reviewed were CTTE, SEBTP, ITCOTCK, DSOTM and TAAB. The sheer number of the reviews means that they may not all be detailed, but at least this meant that there was something there.

And at least when he's dismissive of a substandard album, he's witty about it. Insane? I've met the guy and he's as mad as a lorry, which is why he's such an asset to this site.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 06:18
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

It's Hugues's personal opinion. You can't call him insane for not liking an album you like.

 

Ditto - personally I have long found that album dull and there is plenty else I would prefer to hear!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 08:01
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

It's Hugues's personal opinion. You can't call him insane for not liking an album you like.

 

Ditto - personally I have long found that album dull and there is plenty else I would prefer to hear!

Snow Goose is one of the most over-rated album in prog IMHO, and giving two stars is hardly a bad rating. It just means average , and Camel made plenty of average record.

but if one expect 5* for every camel album , than look elsewhere!!!

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