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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2005 at 00:40
As for Victor Wooten's technique bityear gave a good explanation. You do an up and down motion musch like a guitar player would with a pick, Victor also uses his index middle and ring fingers on his right hand to pop notes. Really I'd reccomend one of his videos, really informative. Also his website has several lessons written out that will help greatly.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2005 at 08:25
It's just about possible to do decent "dragged" slaps on bass like a drummer, it's something I experimented with a while back briefly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2005 at 22:22
Somebody help me here

Thanks . It's just a small question anyhow

edit: but on this thread, can somebody inform me some good methods of muting the strings while playing on electric bass. I seem to have that problem where I might release my fretting fingers from a string or my picking fingers will hit a string while plucking another one causing one of the strings to unintentionally ring out. Can somebody help with this too?

PS: I'm loving this thread guys, and I thought it would've died out months ago. But you guys really do help out this amateur bassist in the making. Thanks alot


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2005 at 14:38
Originally posted by Soulman Soulman wrote:

now I've developed this ethic that I shall never play with a bass pick, but it just seems bloody impossible to play those triplet notes with just your fingers.


Classical/flamenco guitarists use what is called a “tremolo” technique, which involves using your ring, middle and index fingers in quick succession to create quickly repeating sequences of notes (usually sixteenth notes). It’s not an easy technique to master—indeed, it’s one of the reasons I never made much of a guitarist—but it is possible with lots of practice.

Of course, “slap” bass style (think Mark King or Flea) involves using the thumb as well. I don’t know particularly what that entails, though.

Quote Even with some of Chris Squires basslines, it makes me wonder if they have used bass picks, like ever.


I thought Squire always used a pick? It seems I saw him using picks on stage when I saw Yes live.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2005 at 14:47
Originally posted by Progbear Progbear wrote:

Classical/flamenco guitarists use what is called a “tremolo” technique, which involves using your ring, middle and index fingers in quick succession to create quickly repeating sequences of notes (usually sixteenth notes). It’s not an easy technique to master—indeed, it’s one of the reasons I never made much of a guitarist—but it is possible with lots of practice.


Wow I had no idea classical guitarists did that. About a month ago I started practicing playing with three fingers and that's how I was able to play sixteenth notes quickly. I shall try it on guitar sometime.


Originally posted by Progbear Progbear wrote:


I thought Squire always used a pick? It seems I saw him using picks on stage when I saw Yes live.


Well that answers my question. I've yet to see Yes live though...damn my friends not wanting to go to Seattle to watch Drama line-up Yes. Though I'm hoping to buy the Yessongs DVD (bloody expensive !).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2005 at 14:53
I'm an amateur, my GOD it is difficult to become a pro!

You're playing four-string, right? Wait until you get a six... 
 Anyways, I use to put my thumb on the mikes as support, when I play on the E and A strings. Then I'll use the little finger, to dampen the G and D string every now and then. When you're playing on the low strings, the chances that the right hand will do something stupid on it's own with the strings you're not playing on, so then it's not necessary to dampen the top two strings all the time, even if they will do some harmonic vibrating if you let them be for too long. You've got to use your little finger for your playing, but you'll manage.
 It's trickier when it comes to the D and G-strings. When I play figures on those, I'll support my thumb on the E-string instead of on the mikes, and use the third or little finger for damping the A-string (and the D-string, when you play on the G). But, I've switched more and more to damping them all simply with the flesh of the hand, but keeping a small angle so that I use the right side of the right hand (think below the little finger). This comes naturally, since you've got to have a good playing position. As a four-string player, you won't need this, so keep to silencing with the thumb and the thrird/fourth finger, but the more strings you get, the less fingers you've got. So store this away somewhere, if you'll ever get any more strings. Also, when you know that you'll play a longer passage with a lot of G-string work, you might like to move the thumb to the A-string, which gives you better access to the G. Then you'll just use any available part of your hand to dampen the E-string.

 Hope this helps! My explanations tend to become a little messy, especially in English.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2005 at 11:10

Looking at the Rush In Rio DVD, Geddy Lee seems to do a lot of hammering on with his left hand and not so much with his right.

Anyway, can anyone play the fast diddly bit from the middle of Perpetual Change properly?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2005 at 01:22
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Anyway, can anyone play the fast diddly bit from the middle of Perpetual Change properly?


What time in the song does it happen? (minutes:seconds)


PS: Man the mix of the organ and guitar in the beginning of Perpetual Change just sounds like crap to me lol...quite an ugly sound
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 19:38

Originally posted by Progbear Progbear wrote:

Originally posted by Soulman Soulman wrote:

now I've developed this ethic that I shall never play with a bass pick, but it just seems bloody impossible to play those triplet notes with just your fingers.


Classical/flamenco guitarists use what is called a “tremolo” technique, which involves using your ring, middle and index fingers in quick succession to create quickly repeating sequences of notes (usually sixteenth notes). It’s not an easy technique to master—indeed, it’s one of the reasons I never made much of a guitarist—but it is possible with lots of practice.

Of course, “slap” bass style (think Mark King or Flea) involves using the thumb as well. I don’t know particularly what that entails, though.

Quote Even with some of Chris Squires basslines, it makes me wonder if they have used bass picks, like ever.


I thought Squire always used a pick? It seems I saw him using picks on stage when I saw Yes live.

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Developing that ethic of never using a pick is rubbish.  I was like that, but only when i first started playing.  Lately, brass picks have been my big thing.  The tone is very clean and defined.  I think it's sad that so many bassists shun picks. (i can play just as well with my fingers)

Squire did always use a pick.  I have an old like "93 issue of bass player where he gets into some detail about why.  He actually dosen't use a pick in a conventional fashion.  He has the side of his thumb work as a ghost note "stroke" whenever he picks a note.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 09:36

I don't use a pick as it's simply so difficult to me, and I don't currently have the patience nor will to rehearse doing it! I could try it sometimes, but now I just hit all four strings with all my fingers so hard that 'ey bleed! (fingers, not strings)  

About triplets, they might be easier to play when learning to do them with three fingers.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 12:17
Originally posted by bityear bityear wrote:

Originally posted by Soulman Soulman wrote:

...pardon me for asking. What's the point in having a 6 string bass? 


Pardon me for asking, what's the point in having a four string bas?

A six string makes you free to play ANYTHING. You always get in touch with songs where you have to play notes lower than your E, and if you plan to become a good player, you'll want to play some solos every now and then, and then the G-string just isn't high enough. With a C-string, you can be heard better. And, with two extra string, you've got FREEDOM!! For every extra string, playing becomes twice as fun.
 But, agreed that if you're in a band and you know your role, a five-string is enough. And, if you're in a garage or punk band, showing up with a showy six-string quite ruins the image. But, why limit yourself?
 Why do guitarists use 6 or 7 strings?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2005 at 10:30
Hi all, noobe here.

I always use a pick since Squire was my main influence. I think I'm the only person on earth who uses those big triangler fender picks. I hold them kind of weird though with my first and second fingers on either side and my thumb in the middle. By doing this I can bend the pick to make it firmer or softer.

Anyway if you want to get a pick sound without using one let your first fingernail grow a bit and hold your thumb and first finger just like you are holding a pick in the "normal"way then strike the strings with the back of the nail. You can vary the angle for more or less attack. I use the meaty part of my palm (opposite the thumb) to mute the strings for a tighter sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2006 at 12:31
You can play anything with fingers, no matter how fast. It just depends how much you practice. I remember a few years ago, I'd hear people playing like Geddy Lee or Victor, and think, there's no way I could ever do that. But now, it's surprisingly easier, since my finger strength has developed so much. That fast thing in Perpetual Change is a cinch if you practice enough.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2006 at 05:39

i play pick. it helps me throw in alot of notes and makes anything sound faster. but the real advantage is the sound of picking. it gives you that loud treblely ripping. like squire. he picked.

i play fingers too. for a fatter sound and it allows you to jump from string to string easily. and it seems more natural. now bass god les and flea play fingers/slap and they are the sh*t when it comes to it. im not into slap that much but the thumb does come in handy for hitting the e string when soloing.
 
geddy on the other hand. uses a finger. yes, 1 finger. his index. but then when stuff gets hard, think la villa's spastic bass solo, then hell throw in the middle. trust me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2006 at 17:51
Originally posted by Soulman Soulman wrote:

...pardon me for asking. What's the point in having a 6 string bass? 
 
Greater range and you can do more than just a bass line with that added high C string.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2006 at 15:19
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

IWith YYZ, for instance, which is an incredibly difficult bassline, I played the song very slowly until I memorized the entire thing, then kept playing faster every time I played it.

For YYZ I was able to play some of it right away, but I improved my finger picking immensly before trying to tackle all of it, and I am still only able to play the first minute and a half. I do not know how I improved my finger picking but I did.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2006 at 11:21
Originally posted by Soulman Soulman wrote:



edit: Can someone please answer new question?


I strongly suggest taking lessons. It's the best way to make sure you're playing the right way. It's very possible for self-taught bassists to be doing something totally wrong and when they find out, it's too late to change.

lessons also get you educated in theory, which is pretty much essential for prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2006 at 05:49
Yeah definetly take lessons. I find myself doing something wrong and it takes a very long time to fix that problem.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 20:34
Originally posted by bityear bityear wrote:

Originally posted by Soulman Soulman wrote:

...pardon me for asking. What's the point in having a 6 string bass? 




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