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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 02:47

Some solos are OK, other are not...

The drum solo on "Weiss Der Teufel" by RUFUS ZUPHALL was amusing. One on BUDGIE's "You're The Biggest Thing Since Powdered Milk" wasn't...

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Originally posted by Doesburger Doesburger wrote:

Imagine this : 2 cd's worth of drum soli!!!

 

Suggests purgatory!

 

Jon Hiseman released a CD in the late 80's/early 90's of drum solos recorded whilst touring with his wife Barbara Thompson's Paraphenalia.
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Personally, I like a good drums solo... Some drummers are really innovative and play nice-sounding solos, like Bill Bruford, Carl Palmer, Jon Hiseman and Neil Peart, but others are simply showing themselves, like Mike Portnoy, John Bonham and Queen's Roger Taylor (not Duran Duran's Roger Taylor). Some great drummers never played a solo, like Charlie Watts and Jim Capaldi, but I have always wondered how it would sound. Mr. Heath, I would really like to listen to Hiseman's CD - at least to satisfy my curiosity!
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Points: 12813 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 11:29
Originally posted by M. B. Zapelini M. B. Zapelini wrote:

Mr. Heath, I would really like to listen to Hiseman's CD - at least to satisfy my curiosity!

A websearch proved fairly positive, the album being  mentioned here:

http://www.temple-music.com/temple_music/html/biogs/jon_bio. html

QUOTE: Jon is famous for his drum solos and 60 concerts were digitally recorded during Paraphernalia and United Jazz & Rock Ensemble tours in 1985. This resulted in the album 'About Time Too!' being released in the Autumn of 1986. This is a drum solo album and has just been re-released on CD. It's a great album for parties when you want people to leave!UNQUOTE

I kept searching and there is hope of finding a copy of the CD:

 

John Hiseman - About Time Too!

http://www.schott-music.com/shop/3/1000122/1660509/show,9295 3.html

where there are samples to download!!! It turns out the LP was released in the 80's and the CD issued some time between 96 and 98.


 
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Phil Phil wrote:

Hard to make a general statement....but generally, I think they aren't really necessary. Bill Bruford deliberately avoids drum solo's!

Having said that when you're at a concert a solo can be great to watch..though the most impressive ones have been those of Carl Palmer that I've only seen on DVD...but listening to them on record is just plain boring unless they're kept very short.

Summed up brilliantly Phil. I love listening to Moby Dick on Led Zep II but the one on "How the west was won" is far too long.

Yeah, that's a good point. Another one is Cream's "Toad," which, although it's quite good on the original "Fresh Cream" version, they do a live one on "Wheels of Fire," and, believe me, I have MUCH better things to listen to than a 17-minute drum solo. Even Keith Moon thought drum solos were boring. I love a bit of fancy footwork, like that awesome short drum solo on Focus's "Hocus Pocus" that segues into the next section, but a drum solo should be there for a reason, not just for filler. Jethro Tull also has two brilliant drum solos in which, though the drummer is in the spotlight, he isn't the only one that's doing something: "Dharma for One" and the beginning of the second part of "Thick as a Brick."

I put it to the public that if a drummer's only opportunity to express himself creatively is during a solo, then he is either a bad drummer (in which case he shouldn't be soloing to begin with) or he is in a bad band. The great drummers are ALWAYS doing amazing stuff, whether you're paying attention to them or not (i.e. Bill Bruford, Billy Cobham).



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Originally posted by Doesburger Doesburger wrote:

Drum soli CAN be exciting in a live environment. But to listen to on cd's... hmmmm The only interesting one I can listen to is Christian Vander. Imagine this : 2 cd's worth of drum soli!!!

You are probably refering to Vander's 'Korusz', long drum solos (the shorter is 11 mn) recorded during various concerts.

Max Roach released in 1979 a record under the name M'Boom (King Crimson's B'Boom title being probably a wink to M'Boom, Max Roach being a great influence on Bruford's drumming) with seven percussionnists. The result is rather pleasant to listen to, the compositions blending various instruments ranging from marimba, vibes, chimes to xylophone, leaning more towards african ethnic rhythms than jazz.

In 1984, Max Roach released an album entitled 'Survivors' that features a 21 mn plus drum solo : believe me, this is the most enjoyable piece of improvisation I have ever heard.

But in general, I am not keen on drum solos and in the case of Jethro Tull's 'Thick as a brick' I think it is out of place.
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I've always liked Barlow's drum solo on part one of Thick as a Brick. Drum solos are just like any other solo. It's either good or it isn't.
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Points: 237 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 13:10

 

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:


Agreed! I watched "The Song Remains the Same" and it has Bonzo's live "Moby Dick" solo playing while you're watching him go drag racing or some-such....I felt myself start to nod off...

 

The funniest thing on this video is when he starts he's drum solo , the band just get out to drink a bit and leave him alone !

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I think that everything depends of the drummer. Sometmes there's very interesting drum soloswhich are not boring. In my opinion the drum solos are important, but also they're more attactive in live shows, not in studio records.
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Points: 10261 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 13:21
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by Doesburger Doesburger wrote:

Drum soli CAN be exciting in a live environment. But to listen to on cd's... hmmmm The only interesting one I can listen to is Christian Vander. Imagine this : 2 cd's worth of drum soli!!!

You are probably refering to Vander's 'Korusz', long drum solos (the shorter is 11 mn) recorded during various concerts.


Jean and I went to a Magma concert once, and Vander played a 45 minute solo. No joking, I accidentially looked at the wall clock when he started, and when he finally finished I was curious and looked again. And believe me, it was not boring for a second! Vander really knows how to do it.


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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 13:24
Last night at the Spock's Beard concert they played a nice drum solo ... two drummers, playing simultaneously and in a call-response scheme.
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Points: 415 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 16:37
drum solos can be good

like the one in thick as a brick
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Points: 1881 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 17:16
Originally posted by Biggles Biggles wrote:

[QUOTE=chopper]

[I put it to the public that if a drummer's only opportunity to express himself creatively is during a solo, then he is either a bad drummer (in which case he shouldn't be soloing to begin with) or he is in a bad band. The great drummers are ALWAYS doing amazing stuff, whether you're paying attention to them or not (i.e. Bill Bruford, Billy Cobham).

I think that's well put. Great drummers are always amazing to listen to -  they don't need to be doing solos to show it. And your examples of Bruford and Cobham are two of the very best...
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 17:34

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/buddyrichsticktrick.html

I keep posting this but it is amazing!Embarrassed
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Last night at the Spock's Beard concert they played a nice drum solo ... two drummers, playing simultaneously and in a call-response scheme.


I love it when drummers do that...
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Points: 166178 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 21:58
I love a good drum solo. In studio albums, it is much easier to have on that is out of place and perhaps bad, but i don't care. Drum solos =
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Points: 31377 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 22:11

Originally posted by Ty1020 Ty1020 wrote:

No... that's like saying guitar solos are only interesting to guitarists, which, of course, is incorrect. I don't play drums but I love a good drum solo, and I know a lot of other people feel the same way.

Agree!! But I play drums

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Originally posted by Protagonist Protagonist wrote:

I think that everything depends of the drummer. Sometmes there's very interesting drum soloswhich are not boring. In my opinion the drum solos are important, but also they're more attactive in live shows, not in studio records.

 Agreed.  And I play the drums as well.  Only real Fdrum solos I listen to on studio stuff is from Jazz drummers.
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I'm a keyboardist who likes a good drum solo ... but agree that it can go on for too long (just as with any other instrument) ... as such I actually prefer the studio versions of Toad and Moby Dick to their live counterparts ...

My favourite drum solo of all is still Ron Bushy's in Iron Butterfly's In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida

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Points: 16310 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2005 at 02:09
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by Doesburger Doesburger wrote:

Drum soli CAN be exciting in a live environment. But to listen to on cd's... hmmmm The only interesting one I can listen to is Christian Vander. Imagine this : 2 cd's worth of drum soli!!!

You are probably refering to Vander's 'Korusz', long drum solos (the shorter is 11 mn) recorded during various concerts.


Jean and I went to a Magma concert once, and Vander played a 45 minute solo. No joking, I accidentially looked at the wall clock when he started, and when he finally finished I was curious and looked again. And believe me, it was not boring for a second! Vander really knows how to do it.

Vander is so
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