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NO BECAUSE THEY ARE CRAP POP CANDYFLOSS YUCK
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A couple are kinda' progy.
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The trouble is people want to put labels on everything.  The Beatles were of course a Progressive band in the sense that from just 1962 to 1970 there is a massive shift in the style of the music they produced, in fact if they did not change the way that they did, they probably woudn't have lasted beyond 1965. 

This site on the other hand celebrates a style of music that covers a certain brand of music that came from psychedelia and 'progressed' into the music we all love. But if you're honest it  hasn't really progressed a great deal since.  I am a great fan myself, I wouldn't be a member of this site otherwise but it all revolves around the word 'Progressive', any music that is progressive in the literal sense can be deemed progressive.

It boils down to the musicianship, virtuoso musicians playing complex and engaging music that we can really enjoy. Do we really need to say that this band is prog and this band isn't, it doesn't really matter.

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Just some of their late stuff is kind of prog.
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No god damn it! They are not prog, not ever grass smoking band of the 60`s/70`s is prog
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As some of you will know I am a huge Beatles fan. They certainly help to pave the way for prog by giving up touring and concentrating on studio work. Tracks like "Tomorrow Never Knows" are important stepping stones on the road to prog. They were also one of the first bands to use a Mellotron. However, they only belong on this site in a "roots of prog" section as they are not prog.

And the person who sl*gged off "I am the walrus" should read Ian MacDonald's book "Revolution In The Head" to find the true meaning behind this protest song.
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No, but like it or not, this is the most important band ever!
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Originally posted by Useful_Idiot Useful_Idiot wrote:

They've had some prog moments, but not enough to get listed in here.

Beautifully put

They opened the door, and peered in a little bit, but never went all the way inside.

However, i will state that the album "Magical Mystery Tour" is true prog and i belive this should be listed as the first moment of true prog( November 27th 1967, almost a full year before ITCOTKC which this site procalims as the first true prog album0

but.. to each his own,  i dont get worked up about such detatials
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Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

Originally posted by Useful_Idiot Useful_Idiot wrote:

They've had some prog moments, but not enough to get listed in here.

Beautifully put

They opened the door, and peered in a little bit, but never went all the way inside.

However, i will state that the album "Magical Mystery Tour" is true prog and i belive this should be listed as the first moment of true prog( November 27th 1967, almost a full year before ITCOTKC which this site procalims as the first true prog album0

but.. to each his own,  i dont get worked up about such detatials


Good point, although I don't count MMT as a real Beatles album as it wasn't originally released as such in the UK. It's an EP with some singles stuck on side 2. I would go even further and say "Tomorrow Never Knows" is the beginning of prog and that was 1966.
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Very true, but never the less i would call it an album.

 

Is that the only reason why it is nto considered progs birthdate? just cause its not a realy album?
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some glorious moments Of PROG..!!
I Think that they would have to occupy a place in Progarchives

 

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Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

Very true, but never the less i would call it an album.

 

Is that the only reason why it is nto considered progs birthdate? just cause its not a realy album?


Could be - I think it tends to get overlooked in the UK as it wasn't an official album. Perhaps we could use the MMT EP instead, but Strawberry Fields Forever was recorded quite a while before that. I still think it goes back earlier than that (1966 - Pet Sounds and Tomorrow Never Knows).
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I don't know...but I ask myself: are Back streets boys prog?
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What about "I want you - so heavy" and Abbey Road's side 2?
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Originally posted by MANTICORE MANTICORE wrote:

some glorious moments Of PROG..!!
I Think that they would have to occupy a place in Progarchives

 

I think The Beatles should be included as proto-prog. I don't think any prog band from the early 70's or late 60's have not been influenced by them, i'm sure all prog giants we love will refer to the beatles if they are asked for their roots.

Of course they aren't prog, deep purple or moody blues are not either. Proto-prog bands are those that directly settled the bases for what we now call PROGRESSIVE ROCK. Also, from a more intimate point of view, each member was so authentic with what they composed. We all know how they were: Paul, George, Ringo and specially John, each had a way of being and thinking quite unique, ideas that escaped to music standards and different life lines. Comercial success was never their main driving force, an example of that is that they stopped performing live in 1966 and they didn't mind for the money (well, at that point i'm sure the beatles were already richer than A. Onassis himself, but that's not the point i want to reach).

Now, this is surely the attitude that most prog rockers are looking for, this authenticity in being, doing and thinking is what Peter Gabriel, Peter Hammill, Jon Anderson and all those characters we admire had (have) as engine for creating what they have.

Those are some reasons I have for THE BEATLES to be included as PROTO-PROG, and only as that. I could write more but my english can't go that far.

http://www.progressiverock.com/timeline.asp?sYear=1967

Extremely important albums regarding to prog rock roots:
- Revolver
- Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band
- White Album
- Abbey Road



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Yes they are prog, they are the father of progressive rock in the purest of the senses. ...If you are a Beatles hardcore fan, of course
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  Some prog moments particularly second side of abbey road

 Mainly pop though

 Moody blues are also mainly pop and they got in
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No, they were a 60's pop band, only of interest to those who were around at the same time.

Virtuoso musicians              = No
Experimental / Inventive     = No
Energy or Soul                    = No

Why does anybody who wasn't around when they were, like them? I know i don't... and I don't think of them as prog either.

Glad i got that of my chest




 
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"I wanna hold your hand" and "baby you can drive my car" are Prog.
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Originally posted by krusty krusty wrote:

No, they were a 60's pop band, only of interest to those who were around at the same time.

Virtuoso musicians              = No
Experimental / Inventive     = No
Energy or Soul                    = No

Why does anybody who wasn't around when they were, like them? I know i don't... and I don't think of them as prog either.

Glad i got that of my chest

 

I hope you meant this as a joke, otherwise it's the biggest crock I've read in my short time on this forum.

Virtuoso musicians - no, they're not up to the standards of your average prog musician, but does that mean you can't make good music?

Experimental/inventive - come on, listen to "Tomorrow never knows" as just one example of many I could list.

Energy or soul - try "Twist and shout", "I'm down" etc etc.

I was around when they were, but I was only 9 when they split up, so I don't remember much of them at the time. To say "Why does anybody who wasn't around when they were, like them?" is a disservice to the most influential band of all time. Where would prog music be if The Beatles hadn't retired to the studio to make Revolver and Sgt. Pepper?

I agree with you that they are not prog, but as I said before they certainly opened the door for prog music.
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