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progron 
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 11:05 |
I HAVE TO ASK THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL:
ARE LONG DRUM SOLOS IN ALBUMS AND CONCERTS REALLY NECESSARY? ISNT IT JUST BORING AND INTERESTS DRUMMERS ONLY?
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 11:07 |
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I don't play drums, am not a big fan of drums.. but I loooove Grand Vizier's Garden Party, which is just a use of percussions. So I guess you're wrong
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 11:09 |
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No... that's like saying guitar solos are only interesting to
guitarists, which, of course, is incorrect. I don't play drums but I
love a good drum solo, and I know a lot of other people feel the same
way.
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 11:33 |
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Hard to make a general statement....but generally, I think they aren't
really necessary. Bill Bruford deliberately avoids drum solo's!
Having said that when you're at a concert a solo can be great to
watch..though the most impressive ones have been those of Carl Palmer
that I've only seen on DVD...but listening to them on record is just
plain boring unless they're kept very short.
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 11:38 |
 Phil wrote:
Hard to make a general statement....but generally, I think they aren't really necessary. Bill Bruford deliberately avoids drum solo's!
Having said that when you're at a concert a solo can be great to watch..though the most impressive ones have been those of Carl Palmer that I've only seen on DVD...but listening to them on record is just plain boring unless they're kept very short.
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Summed up brilliantly Phil. I love listening to Moby Dick on Led Zep II but the one on "How the west was won" is far too long.
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 11:53 |
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I guess there are two or three solos will appeal but the rest will sound medicocre or worse. For me Joe Morello's Castillian Drums on Dave Brubeck Quartet at Carnegie Hall, Ginger Baker's Toad (Cream's Wheels On Fire), Brian Bennett's Little B (a sub-4 minute gem) on the 2nd Shadows album. Recently saw on DVD an edited version of a Buddy Rich drum solo, recorded on Jerry Lewis TV show (50's or 60's???), and it was astounding good - indeed Rich started from cold with no other musicians
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 11:55 |
chopper wrote:
Phil wrote:
Hard to make a general statement....but
generally, I think they aren't really necessary. Bill Bruford
deliberately avoids drum solo's!
Having said that when you're
at a concert a solo can be great to watch..though the most impressive
ones have been those of Carl Palmer that I've only seen on DVD...but
listening to them on record is just plain boring unless they're kept
very short.
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Summed up brilliantly Phil. I love listening to Moby Dick on Led Zep II but the one on "How the west was won" is far too long. |
 Agreed! I watched "The Song Remains
the Same" and it has Bonzo's live "Moby Dick" solo playing while you're
watching him go drag racing or some-such....I felt myself start to nod
off...
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 11:59 |
Dick Heath wrote:
I guess there are two or three solos will appeal but the rest will sound medicocre or worse. For me Joe Morello's Castillian Drums on Dave Brubeck Quartet at Carnegie Hall, Ginger Baker's Toad (Cream's Wheels On Fire), Brian Bennett's Little B (a sub-4 minute gem) on the 2nd Shadows album. Recently saw on DVD an edited version of a Buddy Rich drum solo, recorded on Jerry Lewis TV show (50's or 60's???), and it was astounding good - indeed Rich started from cold with no other musicians |
Agree about Buddy Rich - Carl Palmer was a huge fan I believe - I
saw Buddy Rich once on something like Parkinson and he was
astounding to watch...sadly died before his time I believe?
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 12:33 |
Drum solos aren't fundamentally from any other solos. It all depends how long the soloist's imagination can last.
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 12:59 |
WTF? Praised be Bonzo! 
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 13:09 |
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I am a drummer and am not a big fan of the drum solo.
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 13:56 |
Manunkind wrote:
Drum solos aren't fundamentally from any other solos. It all depends how long the soloist's imagination can last.
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Excellent point!
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 15:39 |
chopper wrote:
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Summed up brilliantly Phil. I love listening to Moby Dick on Led Zep II but the one on "How the west was won" is far too long.
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Yes really...its far to long...I only listen to it once...complet that is...still its my favorite live album!
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 17:14 |
Depends whether or not they change tempo and are engaging enough...the first drum-solo that really captured me was that of the Corrs on their Unplugged album- Toss the Feathers- that I got for christmas when I was 14. (Dammit- whats her name?? I remember Andrea, Caroline and Jim but I can't remember the drummer!!) Even more impressive was the fact it was on a tradtional irish drum. (yep- theres a name for it but I don't know what it is.)
Favourite drum-solo now would have to be Court of the Crimson King- after the piping-version of the melody, before it goes back to the mellotron-ed chorus.  (God- I love that song.)
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 20:07 |
I've got to say that I really enjoy a good drum-soo in the middle of a
concert, as it provides a bit of variation, but only if it is an
interesting solo. I don't like the show-off "look what I can do" kind
of drum solo, but more like the Rythm Method by Neil Peart of Rush. Is
it just me or does everyone else think that the drum-solo in the middle
of YYZ on 'Exit... Stage Left' was just brilliant and made an excellent song even better?
I also prove a point that it isn't only drummers who enjoy drum solos (as I am a guitarist myself!)
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 22:41 |
It can get a little boring....
I tihnk the best drum solos are the ones where the music is still going on....I dont understand why that isnt done more. The band doesnt stop for a guitar solo...why should they stop for a drum solo?
mike portnoy does a lot of solo's while the music is going on. And its awesome
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 23:55 |
BePinkTheater wrote:
It can get a little boring....
I tihnk the best drum solos are the ones where the music is still going on....I dont understand why that isnt done more. The band doesnt stop for a guitar solo...why should they stop for a drum solo?
mike portnoy does a lot of solo's while the music is going on. And its awesome
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Yeah, Tool does do that actually (46 & 2), and so does The Mars Volta (Roulette Dares (The Haunt Of)).
It's nice when bands do that, but most of the time, they just stop the music and paste in some drum "filler" stuff.
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 00:06 |
I'm also a drummer but also believe drums solos aren't really necessary, I love some of them, but I rather listen a keyboard and drums playing together (Like Wakeman often does with the incredible Tony Fernandez) or a rhytm section semi solo, drums and bass playin alone sound excellent.
About the solos I like:
- O Baterista: Neil Peart on Rush in Rio.
- Bruford and Collins. Cinema Show Closing Section in Seconds Out.
- Almost any solo by Carl Palmer: Has such a powerful bass drum that always impresses me.
Iván
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 02:22 |
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Drum soli CAN be exciting in a live environment. But to listen to on cd's... hmmmm The only interesting one I can listen to is Christian Vander. Imagine this : 2 cd's worth of drum soli!!!
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 02:40 |
Just keep it interesting...
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