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    Posted: June 01 2005 at 08:50
Budget devices

Here’s some budget devices, for those who want to start well in hifi, with a tight budget :



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2005 at 08:58
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Cd:
Nad cd players


Turntable:
Rega Planar 3


Tuner Denon Tu1500RD


K7 deck Yamaha kx530


Cables:
QED





Integrated transistor amp:
Nad


Loudspeakers Mission M71i + Stand Atacama Nexus7





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2005 at 09:56
To go further :

Subwoofer Magnat Omega 380 (features a 38cm speaker (the minimum to reproduce extreme-low freq) drive by a good 200W power amp)




Eupen power cables (no pic)

Fadel Amethyst vibrations-cancellers




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 15:08
Thanks for the post. I am just considering buying something, but have no idea about HiFi at all. For instnce, what is it about that Nad thing?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 17:00
You're welcome!

Nad is the smallest budget device's. Little like Rotel, his ennemy brother(also english).
If you are looking for the smallest budget, but musical system, it's Nad!

Their Cd players(from the smallest) and their integrated amps are the best choice to begin.

Mission for loudspeakers is the same...

without forgetting QED in cables...

All these brands have in common to be unbeatable in entry-level products.

For example, if you have the budget to buy "expensive cables", i would not advising you the top of Qed cables, "Genesis silver spiral". I would better advice you some us brands for example.Cause in this price range Qed is not the best.
But if you want the cheapest cables, but already neutral and musical, go to Qed (little models)!!
That's the same with Mission and Nad.

And when you put only musical devices together...it makes music!

Anyway, i will repeat endlessly all i've put above, but i have to add that there are many "details", which ar not infact, like vibration cancelling and power issue that are essential to considerate in order a system works.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 04:49
Here’s exactly what you need if you have a tight budget:

CD player : Nad c521BBE

Turntable: Rega Planar 3 with its RB300 arm and its origin cartridge Elyss or super Elyss.
(Forget the Denon DL103 which is crap.)

Tuner: any Denon model, from the smallest to the biggest. Of course a good antenna is essential. "Metz" indoor antennas are great, but has been recently discontinuated for some dark money reasons.

Integrated transistor amp: Nad c320BBE

Cables (essential):
Qed modulation cables : Qnex1
Qed speakers cables : Qed original (you need to bi-wire, very important)

Speakers: Mission M71i (bookshelf) SCREW on Atacama Nexus 7 stands filled with sand.
Of course, if you want standfloor, there are cheap solutions also.
I let you search for the price of that whole system, you’ll see it’s very affordable. And of course you can buy it on occasion! You’ll find all at half-price.
But that’s your choice to buy it new or not.

Keep in mind that all you buy (new or not) can be sold the day you want to upgrade.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 06:35

So as I understand I need several items, basically - CD player, amp, speakers and cables. I should not need turntable since I have no vinil and aslo a tuner (digital radio) since I don't listen to radio. Right?

Now what do these stuff do, except of good quality sound and low noise?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 07:04
What else do you want?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 07:10
Originally posted by sstarless sstarless wrote:

So as I understand I need several items, basically - CD player, amp, speakers and cables. I should not need turntable since I have no vinil and aslo a tuner (digital radio) since I don't listen to radio. Right?


Now what do these stuff do, except of good quality sound and low noise?




You're right.
Start with a CD, integrated amp and speakers.
Without forgetting cables, stands.
They do music, that mean it transmit emotions, which is not the case of all devices!!
I think that's what you're looking for!
What's your budget?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 07:18
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

What else do you want?


There are some cd players which make coffee, but are not the best for sound!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 07:46

I don't drink coffee either, only tea.

I have heard that with some devices you can selectively listen to particular instruments individualy, filter others out. Sort of stuff.

My budget is not very solid but should be good enough for abovementioned set.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 08:27
Yes, i'm a tea drinker tooo, all kinds of tea, btw
Hmmm...you make allusion to equalizer?
Sorry, not gound for sound!


I go on:
Sstarless, i think you’re not familiar with the notion of musicality.
We could define this term by the ability to reproduce MUSIC (and not simply “sound”).
For example, you’ll find some amps which have lower distorsion rate than the Nad, but when you listen, you’ll much prefer the Nad cause it has the ability to let the music, the emotion flows, whereas the other will be cold or demonstrative for example.
All that to say that technical criterias means not much, the only way to tell if a device is musical or not is to listen to it.
For example, Mark Levinson which is an American brand which make the best preamplifiers of the planet, also do very expensive power amps. When you listen to it, there’s nothing to say on a pure technical level: it’s perfect. But it’s cold, which means it don’t let the emotion flows…
It doesn’t means that musical devices are not neutral.
A good device has to be both. That’s the case of Nad.
Of course, it has its limitations in bandwidth, dynamic, soundstage…
That’s obvious cause there’s always better and because it’s cheap.

But that’s extraordinary for the price, if you put that with musical cables and speakers….

You also need to do some more optimizations in order it work a minimum.

When you’ll have your devices:

-Check the power phase with an electric screwdriver (very simple), in order the device is plug in the good way. Better use wall plugs with ground.
-Better plug each device and a separate power plug (in your case, you only need two), avoid to plug it on a multiplug. Bad multiplug are very bad for sound.
-Use good power cables. Unfortunatly Nad Cd players don’t have power plug, but it’s easy to open and solder a good one instead of the crappy origin one, or to install a ECC plug (more difficult).

-Use vibrations canceller systems below your CD and amp. This result in an enhancement on all criterias: dynamic, soundstage, low, high, all you want.
It can be “Golden sound” ceramic cones for example.

-Put your CD and amp on a solid and stable support. Best put it directly on the floor, depending on the floor you have, but with vib canceller below.

-Check that your CD is perfectly horizontal with a plumb level in the two dimensions.
If not, compensate by putting hard pieces of wood below the cones for example, until it will be perfectly horizontal. Avoid soft matters in which vibrations stay.
You can also put something heavy on your cd player, like a thick piece of granit for example.
I will cancel vibrations, like the cones, cause Cd mechanic is very vulnerable to vibes.

-Bi wire! It brings a huge enhancement in term of dynamic, soundstage, low, high, etc…


If you do all that, you’ll have pleasure with your system, I swear!

Golden sound ceramic cones (vib cancellers to put below your devices)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 09:47

Thanks again for comprehenssive expanation. I will keep this for future reference. Actually I doubt that I can catch the differens in sound  after putting a cones or even balls underneath, but who knows.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 09:59
Don't under-estimate your ears.
These are not subtle improvments.
You just need to listen!
And believe me, when you're used to the sound of your system, and that you do such a huge improvment, you hear it right now.
What's fantastic if you buy a good system is that you will completely re-discover records you have heard hundreds of times!!!!you will hear instruments you have never heard on your favourite records! here's the magic of hifi!
Feel free to ask as much questions as you want, on this thread or by PM.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2005 at 09:24

Yes thats what I hope too. Way I listen my music is a real cryme, with cheap Sony CD player. 

But still becides high quality i would like to have some high tech, for instance this equalizer stuff. You see I also play guitar and its good to be able to here guitar alone. Even generaly to hear individual instruments for time to time is intersting. So how can I do this with Hi Fi? Or do I need something els?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2005 at 10:42
A lot of (most?) hi fi has no very useful EQ - every component you add to the chain lowers the singal:noise ration. You could get an external one for not too much, and bypass it when you weren't using it, I guess.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:34
I agree.
I can't advice you about equalizer as it's not my stuff.
But, i would say the same as Goose.
I would separate hifi system and guitar stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:40

That should be the best solution, since I will need equalizer only ocasionally.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 12:08
Do you know the cav products chinese hi-end amplifiers and speakers! Very cheap for what they offer. I am thinking to buy the cav A10 stereo amplifier what's your opinion!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 14:58
Sorry but chinese are not good... i prefer Cayin which is a german design and handcrafted in China.


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