What happens with maiden?

blah i have Operation mindcrime and that is nowhere any more metal than maiden.

We're talking about progressive music here, not the metal aspect. And many people hold Queensryche to be a progressive metal band.

And certainly if you dont see that a song like blood brothers got a very diffrent song structure like a song like  hooks in you then i dont care to discuss this with you because it is going nowhere...and calling a song like master of puppets for complex is a big laugh

Why? It is complex - it depends on what you're comparing it to. If you compare it to, say, anything by Gentle Giant, then you are comparing chalk and church organs.

If you compare it to any heavy metal album released in the 1980s, then it's probably in the top 10 at least. It was and is a benchmark for what can be done with the heavy metal format, and as such is deeply progressive. Countless bands are influenced by that album - Dream Theater covered the entire album, such was the debt they felt they owed to it. For some reason, they also covered "Number of The Beast", but let's not go there...

ID SAY LETS CEASE THIS ENDLESS ARGUMENT IM TIRED AND ANGRY

What's the difference between argument and discussion?

I wish I could think of a witty answer, but the straight answer is that in a discussion, you think more about your position and the side you are taking, and do some research into the material that will help you to convince your "opponent" that your side of the debate is correct.

That might sound heavy, but since it simply entails listening to loads of great music and reading about the bands, it's actually one of the most enjoyable things there is, IMO

An argument is like a debate, but horribly emotional and lacking in research and clear thought.

a apologize for my mindless insults but as i was trying to suggest that tool was a nu-metal band(as a joke) to provoke the protogolist....and that is basically how i feel when you say that iron maiden writes just as simple songs lilke ac/dc and motorhead because i know that it is entirely wrong and therebefore provocative. And i hope you did not suggest than maiden was blues based?

There would be nothing wrong in suggesting that Iron Maiden were blues based (or rather blues rooted), as that suggestion carries far more weight than I suspect you realise;

Check out some of the power blues bands like Cream, Bakerloo, May Blitz, Fuzzy Duck, High Tide, Spooky Tooth, etc. The music is obviously not the same as Iron Maiden - but some of those bands wrote some dynamite riffs, and, if you listen to the structuring, you'll hear much that inspired bands like Maiden. 

As for Judas Priest, get "Sad Wings of Destiny", if you don't already own it. Once you've got over the rubbish production, you'll hear the forefathers of Maiden's branch of metal. "British Steel" is cool too - but most definitely pure NWOBHM - no prog). You should also listen to Budgie, Samson and Riot - especially Samson ("Survivors", "Head On" and "Shock Tactics"), IMO.

The point is that the Heavy Blues bands started to depend more and more on the riffs rather than the blues structures that they created the riffs from in the first place. Even Black Sabbath paid tribute to their blues roots in some numbers - but listen to "Spooky Two" by Spooky Tooth, and marvel at the large number of Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin riffs that the three bands all appropriated.

There's another point here: Progressive Music and Progressive Rock are different things. Prog-related is different again, and I think that Iron Maiden had their progressive moments - ie they wrote progressive music occasionally, but do not fit prog-related as there are no "Pure" progressive rock bands that you can relate them to.

Is that fair comment?

maidenrulez wrote: I DID NOT MAKE THIS (deleted) THREAD TO DISCUSS IF MAIDEN WAS PROG RELATED OR NOT SO (deleted) EVERYBODY IM GETTING VERY TIRED ABOUT THIS

Keep it civil please Maidenrulez

If you start a thread on Iron Maiden, people are quite entitled to voice their opinions on them, especially when you are seeking their inclusion the archives.

Easy Livin wrote: maidenrulez wrote: I DID NOT MAKE THIS (deleted) THREAD TO DISCUSS IF MAIDEN WAS PROG RELATED OR NOT SO (deleted) EVERYBODY IM GETTING VERY TIRED ABOUT THIS Keep it civil please Maidenrulez If you start a thread on Iron Maiden, people are quite entitled to voice their opinions on them, especially when you are seeking their inclusion the archives.

I started the thread to hear how it was going on with the inclusion of maiden ( if you had gotten the files i sent and so on...) instead i get lots of replies about other bands that they want included i dont want this discussion now