from a prog point of view

Philrod wrote: metallica... the first 4 albums were amazing.. the 5th was okay, then the rest was just plain crap Megadeth was more reliable, but best album against best album, metallica wins it. But overall, Megadeth has more quality stuff than Metallica does. So... My vote goes to...metallica!

Great....err....reasoning.....

TheProgtologist wrote: Mnemosyne wrote: Megadeth...The interplay between Dave Mustaine and Marty Friedman (on those golden years) was mindblowing... I said this before in a similar thread but I think Megadeth's Rust in Peace is a genuine prog metal classic.

 Agreed ... Rust in Peace rules.

Metallica's first 4 albums are still very much of interest from a prog point of view, and the 5th one is to a lesser extent, as all 5 progressed metal as we knew it in the early 1980s into metal, prog metal as we know know it, and, of course, Nu-metal.

Their influence is not to be underestimated despite "Load" (of rubbish) "Reload" (of more rubbish) and St(upid) Anger, and the thrashing style that both bands brought to metal (courtesy of Metal Church, I believe) is never going to go away.

In Metallica's music especially, the careful use and development of the thrashing technique creates some amazing effects that go beyond the music itself - along the lines of what the polyrhythm brigade are trying to surpass today (but failing IMHO). If you simply listen to what they play, you will be disappointed and not hear anything but possibly aggressive and fast metal. If you listen to it in a similar way to the way that you look at a 3d picture, there is something unearthly and truly progressive there.

Megadeth were progressive, but from a technical standpoint, ie the technicalities in the music were more intricate than Metallica's, but the song writing and arrangements were actually fairly bog standard (at least, they are on the 3 Megadeth albums I know, which is all of the first 3). Megadeth's music does not contain so much of the "3d" effect, although it is there.

They also tended not to go for the longer songs and variety in composition that Metallica did, but instead opted for varying speeds from "Bloody fast" to "Sub-Blur". At least Metallica understood the value of "Reasonably slow", and showed this consistently on the first 4 albums.

So I vote Metallica - and I think they're definitely at least prog-metal related as they inspired the whole genre as we know it.

> = Is greater than, meaning is bigger than, not better than.

And that's not a very eloquent or convincing statement.

Can you elaborate?