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Jared 
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 Posted: October 01 2005 at 08:35 |
 Ed_The_Dead wrote:
fandango wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ what's funny about it? |
I think that Lovecraft has summed it up rather ably...
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Well.. Why don't we start another "Delusional Old Farts vs Young pseudo prog wannabees" thread?
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excuse me, but if you can listen to Awaken without all your hairs standing up on end and a shiver running down your spine, then then you should be pronounced as clinically dead...
...The day Ayreon write something a tenth as emotive and beautiful as this, I will dance around the streets of Hereford naked, with a carnation between my clenched buttocks...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 08:36 |
fandango wrote:
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
fandango wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ what's funny about it? |
I think that Lovecraft has summed it up rather ably...
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Well.. Why don't we start another "Delusional Old Farts vs Young pseudo prog wannabees" thread?
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excuse me, but if you can listen to Awaken without all your hairs standing up on end and a shiver running down your spine, then then you should be pronounced as clinically dead...
...The day Ayreon write something a tenth as emotive and beautiful as this, I will dance around the streets of Hereford naked, with a carnation between my clenched buttocks...
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 ... I could give you a list of songs. But what's the point? You've already decided that Ayreon can't be any good.
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 08:37 |
^In my book You should've allready done that at least 3 times...
Yes NEVER moved me... but thats just taste... those damn distorted guitars blasted all the brains from my head
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Jared
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 08:48 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
fandango wrote:
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
fandango wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ what's funny about it? |
I think that Lovecraft has summed it up rather ably...
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Well.. Why don't we start another "Delusional Old Farts vs Young pseudo prog wannabees" thread?
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excuse me, but if you can listen to Awaken without all your hairs standing up on end and a shiver running down your spine, then then you should be pronounced as clinically dead...
...The day Ayreon write something a tenth as emotive and beautiful as this, I will dance around the streets of Hereford naked, with a carnation between my clenched buttocks...
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... I could give you a list of songs. But what's the point? You've already decided that Ayreon can't be any good.
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You're right Mike, as you know, I have always had it in for Ayreon...
...and its only partly because most of the fundamental ingredients I look for in prog are accutely missing in Ayreon's music (If Yes were the texture of Silk and Velvet, Ayreon would be polystyrene...)
It's also only partly because I get this strange sense that somehow the whole never comes remotely near the capability of the sum of the parts.
The fact is, its also partly because I begrudge the fact that members of Shadow Gallery, Symph X and other great great bands get sidetracked for months on end down this thankless side alley.... INSTEAD OF RELEASING THEIR OWN ALBUMS..
Forgive me...I'm just having a bad morning...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 08:51 |
^ You had Yer morning coffee?
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Jared
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 08:54 |
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 08:57 |
Maybe Yee still asleep!
Go and wake up, take a shower, drik some coffe, eat a nice full english breakfast (With no meat, of course) And then tell us what You think of Ayreon
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Progzilla
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 09:15 |
I find The Human Equation to be brilliant. Some of you apparently do
not like the concept and therefore regard the whole album as rubbish.
If you think it's just about a man in a coma whose friend has an affair
with his wife, you obviously didn't understand anything. That's just
some of the events taking place. The album paints a wonderful imagery
with emotions, each portraid by excellent vocalists. And more
importantly, the musical arrangements are awesome.
Anyway, T.H.E. really is a gem for many people on this forum, believe
it or not. The sooner you realize that many members here love
progmetal, often even more than some classic prog albums, the sooner we
are spared from idiotic remarks like the ones here about Ayreon.
Going for the one, now that happens to be an album that's second from
the top in my stash of unopened cd's that I'm going through. Can't wait
to start listening to it. Like Ed_the_dead said, it silly comparing
GFTO and THE, I'm going to enjoy both!
There! ..now where's my morning cup of coffee?!?!
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Currently listening to:
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- Kamelot
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Logos
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 09:31 |
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It surpasses many Yes albums ... GFTO included. |
It's good.. but not that good!!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 09:32 |
Logos wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
It surpasses many Yes albums ... GFTO included. |
It's good.. but not that good!! |
It doesn'T surpass CttE ... but GFtO (IMO).
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 09:34 |
Logos wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
It surpasses many Yes albums ... GFTO included. |
It's good.. but not that good!! |
Its awesome!
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Jared
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 10:07 |
Progzilla wrote:
The sooner you realize that many members here love progmetal, often even more than some classic prog albums, the sooner we are spared from idiotic remarks like the ones here about Ayreon.
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erm...you are talking about a guy who has the entire catalogue of Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Queenryche, Evergrey, Shadow Gallery, Threshold, Symphony X, Vanden Plas, Pain Of Salvation & Poverty's No Crime, with a bit of Blind Guardian thrown in for good measure...I also like Nightwish, Ark, and the Tool I have heard....
...as you can see, I'm not exactly closed minded about Prog Metal Progzilla, and it doesn't mean that my views about Ayreon are idiotic. I have tried them several times and they always have and probably always will leave me STONE COLD...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 10:10 |
fandango wrote:
Progzilla wrote:
The sooner you realize that many members here love progmetal, often even more than some classic prog albums, the sooner we are spared from idiotic remarks like the ones here about Ayreon.
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erm...you are talking about a guy who has the entire catalogue of Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Queenryche, Evergrey, Shadow Gallery, Threshold, Symphony X, Vanden Plas, Pain Of Salvation & Poverty's No Crime, with a bit of Blind Guardian thrown in for good measure...I also like Nightwish, Ark, and the Tool I have heard....
...as you can see, I'm not exactly closed minded about Prog Metal Progzilla, and it doesn't mean that my views about Ayreon are idiotic. I have tried them several times and they always have and probably always will leave me STONE COLD...
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The only perscription is: MORE COFFEE!!!
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Jared
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 10:14 |
^^^I'd better move straight on to the whiskey, Ed!!
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 10:21 |
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Progzilla
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 10:25 |
fandango wrote:
Progzilla wrote:
The sooner you realize that many members here love progmetal, often
even more than some classic prog albums, the sooner we are spared from
idiotic remarks like the ones here about Ayreon.
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erm...you are talking about a guy who has the entire catalogue of
Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Queenryche, Evergrey, Shadow Gallery,
Threshold, Symphony X, Vanden Plas, Pain Of Salvation &
Poverty's No Crime, with a bit of Blind Guardian thrown in for good
measure...I also like Nightwish, Ark, and the Tool I have heard....
...as you can see, I'm not exactly closed minded about Prog Metal
Progzilla, and it doesn't mean that my views about Ayreon are
idiotic. I have tried them several times and they always have and
probably always will leave me STONE COLD... |
I know that you like prog metal too, fandango, don't worry. I wasn't
talking to you specifically, except for your cheesemeister comment,
which is now actually quite funny, now that I got my cup of coffee,
some exercise and a shower.
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Currently listening to:
- Andromeda
- Pagan's Mind
- Kamelot
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Jared
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 10:27 |
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 11:06 |
I had a shower, a nice breakfest (in fact I eat constantly all day today ), 2 hours of maths & pchysics & My Daily dosage of Prog but I still think that guy was/is a moron!
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RaphaelT
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 11:09 |
Progmetal is a trend, which brought fresh power to progrock, thus enriching it. T.H.E. is a real masterpiece, a real gem.
However, respecting the right to have subjective opinions about music, I think we should agree, that bunch of English progressive bands from the 70s (Pink Floyd, JTull, Genesis, Yes, ELP and many others) created the genre called as progressive rock and has earned right to due respect. Therefore I suggest we should agree that all their good albums are our classics, since they created something what we may call "progressive idiom". Otherwise our discussions would be nothing but anarchy.
Therefore I see no contradiction in liking T.H.E. very much and at the same time "worshipping" GFTO as a good YES album (not as great as CTTE or Relayer of course, but there is no argument like that "I'd rather listen to T.H.E. because GFTO is not the best Yes album. It's not logical). And for those who like prog metal and do not like YES: there is no account about tastes of course, but IMO Yes is prog itself, and you are making yourself blind to one of the most important aspects of prog.
A bit complicated, but I'm starting a legal job on Monday.
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yet you still have time!
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 11:12 |
^ You gonna be a politician?
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