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Points: 4928 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2005 at 14:21
Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

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The first album I've bought with my first pay!

GREAT!


Hi Andrea, the story about your first pay is really touching... hope you now spend your next pays with real prog albums!!!!

IC'mon Magog, it was 1993!

BTW I've always loved them!

that is a CRAP live album...the only live ye need is rock in rio and have ye heard BRAVE NEW WORLD?...masterpiece...beats the crap out of any prog metal album ever released

 thinkYou are a bit overreating with BNW beeing the best prog metal album ever... Its quite progessive (My 1st Maiden album)... DoD is far more porg with a symphonic touch!... But the most progressive album by Maiden is certainly The 7th Son... Its sound like a tipical, 100% progressive metal concept album (It even reminds me a bit of stuff by PoS!!!!)
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Originally posted by Seyo Seyo wrote:

Sure, why not!!?? Then rename the site to MetalArchives and that's it - and I am out of here... for good...

Let's just move to the new progarchives here
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I'm telling you,they ARE not prog    lets move on squeeze them into some proto-prog-related category if you must
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Originally posted by RAMM:ELL:ZEE RAMM:ELL:ZEE wrote:

Originally posted by Seyo Seyo wrote:

Sure, why not!!?? Then rename the site to MetalArchives and that's it - and I am out of here... for good...

Let's just move to the new progarchives here

A question for everyone:

how long before the likes of Genesis,Yes,VDGG etc start to disappear from public awareness completely?

We need to ensure that they are kept alive by attracting new people who would never normally come into contact with these bands.

So how can we do this?

Surely anyone who enjoys the more sophisticated songs by Iron Maiden and Metallica or Deep Purple might like Dream Theater or Symphony X et al.By creating genres such as "Prog-Related" and "Proto-Prog" we are simply creating a stepping stone whereby fans of these bands can discover similar bands but who play Prog Rock.

We are not selling out we are trying to attract those who might be more open to Prog Rock.Therefore ensuring its survival.

 
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by RAMM:ELL:ZEE RAMM:ELL:ZEE wrote:


Originally posted by Seyo Seyo wrote:

Sure, why not!!?? Then rename the site to MetalArchives and that's it - and I am out of here... for good...


Let's just move to the new progarchives here




A question for everyone:


how long before the likes of Genesis,Yes,VDGG etc start to disappear from public awareness completely?


We need to ensure that they are kept alive by attracting new people who would never normally come into contact with these bands.


So how can we do this?


Surely anyone who enjoys the more sophisticated songs by Iron Maiden and Metallica or Deep Purple might like Dream Theater or Symphony X et al.By creating genres such as "Prog-Related" and "Proto-Prog" we are simply creating a stepping stone whereby fans of these bands can discover similar bands but who play Prog Rock.


We are not selling out we are trying to attract those who might be more open to Prog Rock.Therefore ensuring its survival.


 





hey i like all the bands mentioned here,I've seen maiden and metallica,prog-related is fine,genesis and yes will never disappear whilst we are alive educating our offspring i don't know how many hardcore metallica fans will be embracing VDGG or GG though
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Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Fair point H,but I too come from a heavy rock background (although admittedly I was a big fan of Yes,Genesis etc in the 70's) and I've got into so much new stuff (well new to me) like PFM,Banco,Porcupine Tree,Echolynetc that I wouldnt have touched with a 10 foot barge-pole 5 years ago!

 
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^ music is for life,my taste evolves and i search for new stuff all the time,i'd be lost without music this site has given me a good few gems lately
Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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This is totally silly! I think this great site has started to add so many bands that have nothing to do with prog. Iam going to do thing, if they get added Iam never going to visit this site again. Ill find another one which gives me what I actually wanted when I first time entered this site.

I do doubt will they be added anyway. But come on people, go to some metal sites if you want to talk things of that genre!!
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by RAMM:ELL:ZEE RAMM:ELL:ZEE wrote:

Originally posted by Seyo Seyo wrote:

Sure, why not!!?? Then rename the site to MetalArchives and that's it - and I am out of here... for good...

Let's just move to the new progarchives here

A question for everyone:

how long before the likes of Genesis,Yes,VDGG etc start to disappear from public awareness completely?

We need to ensure that they are kept alive by attracting new people who would never normally come into contact with these bands.

So how can we do this?

Surely anyone who enjoys the more sophisticated songs by Iron Maiden and Metallica or Deep Purple might like Dream Theater or Symphony X et al.By creating genres such as "Prog-Related" and "Proto-Prog" we are simply creating a stepping stone whereby fans of these bands can discover similar bands but who play Prog Rock.

We are not selling out we are trying to attract those who might be more open to Prog Rock.Therefore ensuring its survival.

 

- I must be one of the few people who sees nothing wrong with this 'prog related' section, as this shouldn't be a closed shop where only bands with complex time signatures and keyboards get in the archives! I thought the whole ideal of progressive rock was music that hadn't been done or heard before? Sure, if Coldplay made it in here, that would be bad (nowt new about them...) but so far, the additions have been logical and by and large, I feel.



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Points: 350 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2005 at 17:21

WOW 2 powerfull bands ,!!!

but not PROG

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Alright, I take back about Tool being just OK. I used to listen to them much more, like Dream Theater, and when you listen to just a pretty good band a lot, they get tiring and you think they aren't so good anymore. Yet every time I listen to a Tool or Dream Theater song, I remember why I liked them. However, are they prog? I still say no, simply prog-influenced and just good music. I think some songs are proggy, but we shouldn't put a band here for a couple songs. Most songs are just straight-foward rockin' songs.
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Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

I'm telling you,they ARE not prog    lets move on squeeze them into some proto-prog-related category if you must

Have you read the topic??? Nobody is saying they are prog, only prog-related, or proto-prog-metal.
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It seems sometimes, that the discussion is focused on "Are Metallica and Maiden prog?". NO. All we know they aren't prog, but have they elements enough to be considered Prog-Related? Absolutely YES. In their early period, of course. Metallica after 1989 doesn't deserve anything, Maiden have good proggy songs after 1988 (Sign of the Cross), but their golden period was 1980-1988.
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I don't know about Metal-licka (can't stand them), but Iron Maiden did have "prog. tendencies" in their early days.  BUT, the reality is:  IRON MAIDEN IS A HEAVY METAL BAND, NOT A PROG. BAND!

Come on folks, many bands have had a progressive moment or two in their lifetime, but that doesn't mean that we should include them.  If we start including every band under the sun on this site, before long it will be very difficult to sort our the real progs. from the non-proggers.  This especially goes for the more obscure groups.

PLEASE KEEP THIS SITE FOR PROG. BANDS.  Send your Metallica and Dream Theater and Beastie Boys reviews to some other site....

Thanks.

 



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Originally posted by Flip_Stone Flip_Stone wrote:

I don't know about Metal-licka (can't stand them), but Iron Maiden did have "prog. tendencies" in their early days.  BUT, the reality is:  IRON MAIDEN IS A HEAVY METAL BAND, NOT A PROG. BAND!

Come on folks, many bands have had a progressive moment or two in their lifetime, but that doesn't mean that we should include them.  If we start including every band under the sun on this site, before long it will be very difficult to sort our the real progs. from the non-proggers.  This especially goes for the more obscure groups.

PLEASE KEEP THIS SITE FOR PROG. BANDS.  Send your Metallica and Dream Theater and Beastie Boys reviews to some other site....

Thanks.

 

Send your Metallica, DREAM THEATER (!!!!!!!), and Beastie Boys (¿¡¿¡??¡¡¿!!?¿) reviews to some other site...?????

(It's no necessary to say nothing)
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Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by RAMM:ELL:ZEE RAMM:ELL:ZEE wrote:


Originally posted by Seyo Seyo wrote:

Sure, why not!!?? Then rename the site to MetalArchives and that's it - and I am out of here... for good...


Let's just move to the new progarchives here




A question for everyone:


how long before the likes of Genesis,Yes,VDGG etc start to disappear from public awareness completely?


We need to ensure that they are kept alive by attracting new people who would never normally come into contact with these bands.


So how can we do this?


Surely anyone who enjoys the more sophisticated songs by Iron Maiden and Metallica or Deep Purple might like Dream Theater or Symphony X et al.By creating genres such as "Prog-Related" and "Proto-Prog" we are simply creating a stepping stone whereby fans of these bands can discover similar bands but who play Prog Rock.


We are not selling out we are trying to attract those who might be more open to Prog Rock.Therefore ensuring its survival.


 





hey i like all the bands mentioned here,I've seen maiden and metallica,prog-related is fine,genesis and yes will never disappear whilst we are alive educating our offspring i don't know how many hardcore metallica fans will be embracing VDGG or GG though

I was a metallica fan 3 years ago. Then I listened to Dream Theater, and I like it a lot, then I listened to Symphony X, Ayreon, Pain of Salvation, Rush, Genesis, King Crimson, ELP, Yes, Camel, Porcupine Tree, etc...

Last month I listened to VDGG's Pawn Hearts and I love it !!! Here you have an excelent example of heavy metal fan convert into prog. (I think I'm not the only one, there's a lot of heavy metal people that loves prog but they doesn't know it yet!!!)
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Metallica - I'd only consider "...And Justice For All" a prog-related album,
maybe "Master Of Puppets" if I'm being generous.

Iron Maiden - Definitely. Seventh Son, Powerslave ("Ancient Mariner"
especially), Somewhere In Time and many of their other early classics...

And, even though nobody asked, definitely Sabbath if Deep Purple and
Uriah Heep are around!
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Talk about GREY AREA!!!!

I loved Iron Maiden from their beginning...up to about '88

I also liked Metallica for the same period...

To me that says something! I was searching for prog in heavy metal, because there was SO LITTLE prog around in the 80s. These bands were brought up on prog, they both had/have prog tendencies, but are they actually prog? ....probably not..

But one is FOR SURE: Alot of people that come to this site relate to these bands in those periods of their existence. We could definitley say that DREAMTHEATER were influenced by both of them, since they have covered ENTIRE albums by them live! So, in a sense Metallica and Iron Maiden really are the 'fathers' of Prog metal...they are definitley the 'link' in my mind...
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Oh please Iron Maiden deserves atleat to get under the proto prog genre concidering that the bands like Kamleot and Nightwish are concidered progressive metal. I do not wish for maiden under prog metal genre listing...anyways i agree that fans of prog metal bands like Dream theater,nightwish and such might want to find iron maiden interesting...yes they are heavy metal but far more progressive and intricate that "typical" metal bands like judas priest,def leppard, accept, motley crue and other popular metal bands of the 80's

Besides there are many people that does not find bands like The mars volta, Dream Theater or tool to be progressive at all



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Well then does anybody want to add maiden or can i do it?
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