Metallica and Iron Maiden in ProgRelated?

R_DeNIRO wrote: Snow Dog wrote: FishyMonkey wrote: Don't add them, just cause they are a bit more creatvie doesn't make them prog (IE Tool). Do add Death, however, as everything passed Leprosy is rather proggy, with The Sound of Perserverence being absolutely prog death metal. They don't have to be Prog, just Prog related, thats what the category is all about isn't it? I'm agree with you, Tool have to be Prog Related, not Prog.

No you don't agree with me! I'm not talking about Tool!.Fishy just used them as an example. We are talking about Iron Maiden and Metallica!!

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Tool IS progressive metal,and should not be in prog related.

Metallica is prog related,just on the basis of their albums Master of Puppets and And Justice for All(which is pretty progressive)

Maiden is definitely prog related(I think they are one of the forefathers of progressive metal).Important IM albums which lend to the genre are their debut album Iron Maiden to their album Seventh Son of a Seventh Son.

Ed_The_Dead wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: Tool IS progressive metal,and should not be in prog related. Metallica is prog related,just on the basis of their albums Master of Puppets and And Justice for All(which is pretty progressive) Maiden is definitely prog related(I think they are one of the forefathers of progressive metal).Important IM albums which lend to the genre are their debut album Iron Maiden to their album Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. And whats with the last 2 cd's, Jody?

Brave New World and Dance of Death?

Iron maiden was influenced by: Yes,genesis,golden earing,nektar and king crimson to name a few.

They have also influenced alot of the bands wich is today regarded as prog metal on this site.

I actually read in a metal magazine that maiden suck because they are too progressive

Anyways listen to the albums like

Killers

Number of the beast

Powerslave

Seventh son of a seventh son

X-FACTOR

Brave New World

and Dance of death for the obvious progressive references

...take paticulary note of forexample Clive Burrs drumming on the earliest albums...very unusual drum patterns that i have never heard any standard heavy metal band use...and maiden has simply alot of fantastic progressive elements listen to forexample the timechange on Genghis khan...no metal band in the world is even close to manage to pull of that thing so thight and make it work so thigtly. Also the song structure on the latest albums has turned into more epics wich feuture full blown orchestral parts combined with heavy parts combined with sudden timechanges combined...As for black sabbsath and led zeppelin references i would say that maiden has developed song structures that those two bands could only dream of...

MAIDEN MUST BE INCLUDED AND I WOULD LIKE TO WRITE THE BIO

TheProgtologist wrote: Ed_The_Dead wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: Tool IS progressive metal,and should not be in prog related. Metallica is prog related,just on the basis of their albums Master of Puppets and And Justice for All(which is pretty progressive) Maiden is definitely prog related(I think they are one of the forefathers of progressive metal).Important IM albums which lend to the genre are their debut album Iron Maiden to their album Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. And whats with the last 2 cd's, Jody? Brave New World and Dance of Death?

Yes indeedy

Replace ok with awesome or great, and that statement will be perfect!!!!

Well, WE WILL NOT ADD METALLICOCK!!!!!

Proto-prog metal is dedicated for Maiden (and some other band, but NOT Metallicock) alone!!!!!

Powerslave isnt as porgressive as the albums I meantioned up there, me tihnks... There's the powerful Rime of the Ancient Mariner, though

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For Iron Maiden I see no one quoted "The Rhyme Of The Ancient Mariner"... 13 minutes of proto-prog-metal...

For Metallica... proto-prog it's a strong definition, for me... Some albums (Master Of Puppets, Ride The Lightning, And Justice For All), maybe. But it could be a little bit forced. They're more simply metal, more recently turning toward grunge, and the latest album they turned to crap; some Metallica heavy guitar solo are something I've never seen in what is called prog.

But then - no flame please - where does prog ends and other kind of music begins?

Ed_The_Dead wrote: Bj-1 wrote: walrus wrote: maiden its ok, they have a lot of prog influences Agree! Steve Harris said that he used to listen to Genesis, Yes etc. in his teen years. walrus wrote: , but metallica is a crappy group with a really bad singer... There are even some scans form his diary, where he mentioned beeing on a Genesis gig ("bloody Awesome!!!")

Cool!!

lmollea wrote: For Iron Maiden I see no one quoted "The Rhyme Of The Ancient Mariner"... 13 minutes of proto-prog-metal... For Metallica... proto-prog it's a strong definition, for me... Some albums (Master Of Puppets, Ride The Lightning, And Justice For All), maybe. But it could be a little bit forced. They're more simply metal, more recently turning toward grunge, and the latest album they turned to crap; some Metallica heavy guitar solo are something I've never seen in what is called prog. But then - no flame please - where does prog ends and other kind of music begins?

Remember that I only count as progressive related the early period of both bands, not the last stuff.

And one thing; ...And Justice For All is more progressive that anything of Iron Maiden. To say Metallica is crappy is very subjective (althoght the singer is bad, I know), it's unquestionable that instrumentaly are awesome, better than Maiden (this is subjective too, I know). Iron Maiden doesn´t have a guitarrist of the quality of Kirk Hammet.