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    Posted: September 28 2005 at 12:45

I think Metallica and Iron Maiden's early period (1983-1989 in case of Metallica; 1980-1988 in case of Maiden) have to be included in the prog-related subgenre.

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I have been screaming bout adding Maiden for ages.... 2 lazy for adding them myself, actually...

Metallica should be added 2 crap-related....
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They are Prog related, so, no bother
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Yeah, Metallica's "master of Puppets" is kinda prog-influenced... Maiden's Prog influence is almost obvious (in lyrics and sometimes in the "epic" sonic landscape)
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Points: 21199 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2005 at 12:53

Actually I think only one or two albums of them are Prog Related:

  • Metallica: Master of Puppets, ... And Justice For All
  • Iron Maiden: Don't know their newer albums ... but apart from 7th Son nothing merits to be called Prog Related IMO.
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Points: 2530 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2005 at 12:55
i have seen both bands in concert,if i had said to their supporters that they were prog related they would have chased me lets just include judas priest too,sad wings of destiny is a prog related track,and i'm sure we can find a reason to allow motorhead in as well these are bands i like by the way but they ain't prog,no way jose
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In fact Master of Puppets is Proto-Prog, not Prog Related.
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Points: 540 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:02

Then add Black Sabbath too. Sabotage, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Master Of Reality are prog, not to mention the last two albums of the Ozzy era.

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Points: 944 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:04

7th Son of a 7th Son maybe- there is a few parts in this album...

but exept that, dont think so.
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Progressive IM albums - 7th Son of a 7th Son, Somewhere in Time, Brave New World, Dance of Death...

And ALL the other albums have strong prog influences!!!

Metallica - just ONE album...

Maiden deserve 2 be here more then Purple!!!!
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Actually I think only one or two albums of them are Prog Related:

  • Metallica: Master of Puppets, ... And Justice For All
  • Iron Maiden: Don't know their newer albums ... but apart from 7th Son nothing merits to be called Prog Related IMO.

Well, I think Iron Maiden and Killers are their most progresive albums, and probably, "Phantom of the Opera" their most progressive song, even more that "Seventh son of a Seventh son".
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Don't add them, just cause they are a bit more creatvie doesn't make them prog (IE Tool). Do add Death, however, as everything passed Leprosy is rather proggy, with The Sound of Perserverence being absolutely prog death metal.
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Points: 21199 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:18
Originally posted by R_DeNIRO R_DeNIRO wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Actually I think only one or two albums of them are Prog Related:

  • Metallica: Master of Puppets, ... And Justice For All
  • Iron Maiden: Don't know their newer albums ... but apart from 7th Son nothing merits to be called Prog Related IMO.

Well, I think Iron Maiden and Killers are their most progresive albums, and probably, "Phantom of the Opera" their most progressive song, even more that "Seventh son of a Seventh son".

Yes, that song is awesome ... especially if you take into account when it was written (long before any modern prog metal).
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by R_DeNIRO R_DeNIRO wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Actually I think only one or two albums of them are Prog Related:

  • Metallica: Master of Puppets, ... And Justice For All
  • Iron Maiden: Don't know their newer albums ... but apart from 7th Son nothing merits to be called Prog Related IMO.

Well, I think Iron Maiden and Killers are their most progresive albums, and probably, "Phantom of the Opera" their most progressive song, even more that "Seventh son of a Seventh son".

Yes, that song is awesome ... especially if you take into account when it was written (long before any modern prog metal).

Totally agree. It could be considered Proto-ProgMetal, as the same form of Deep Purple is Proto-Prog.
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Originally posted by FishyMonkey FishyMonkey wrote:

Don't add them, just cause they are a bit more creatvie doesn't make them prog (IE Tool). Do add Death, however, as everything passed Leprosy is rather proggy, with The Sound of Perserverence being absolutely prog death metal.

 that Tool statement gave you away. Tool are commonly accepted to be prog.
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Originally posted by FishyMonkey FishyMonkey wrote:

Don't add them, just cause they are a bit more creatvie doesn't make them prog (IE Tool). Do add Death, however, as everything passed Leprosy is rather proggy, with The Sound of Perserverence being absolutely prog death metal.

They don't have to be Prog, just Prog related, thats what the category is all about isn't it?
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Points: 2373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:25

Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

i have seen both bands in concert,if i had said to their supporters that they were prog related they would have chased me lets just include judas priest too,sad wings of destiny is a prog related track,and i'm sure we can find a reason to allow motorhead in as well these are bands i like by the way but they ain't prog,no way jose

Motorhead ARE prog-related. Lemmy used to be a member of Hawkwind.
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Points: 431 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:27
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by FishyMonkey FishyMonkey wrote:

Don't add them, just cause they are a bit more creatvie doesn't make them prog (IE Tool). Do add Death, however, as everything passed Leprosy is rather proggy, with The Sound of Perserverence being absolutely prog death metal.

They don't have to be Prog, just Prog related, thats what the category is all about isn't it?

I'm agree with you, Tool have to be Prog Related, not Prog.
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Points: 21199 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:28
Originally posted by R_DeNIRO R_DeNIRO wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by FishyMonkey FishyMonkey wrote:

Don't add them, just cause they are a bit more creatvie doesn't make them prog (IE Tool). Do add Death, however, as everything passed Leprosy is rather proggy, with The Sound of Perserverence being absolutely prog death metal.

They don't have to be Prog, just Prog related, thats what the category is all about isn't it?

I'm agree with you, Tool have to be Prog Related, not Prog.

 another thread, another "Tool are not prog" post.
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