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    Posted: June 29 2004 at 17:57
I think Bach deserves a thread. In fact so many prog artists were inspired and covered some of his works : The Nice, ELP, Robert Fripp, Jonas Reingold (Karmakanic), Gordian Knot, Steve Morse, The Enid, Sagrado coraçao da terra, Spastic Ink. Do you know other prog artists that payed a tribute to Bach and to what extent did his music influence prog rock?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2004 at 18:58

 

 

Personally, I like to think that many classical composers would be prog rockers if they were alive today.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2004 at 23:59
Bach was the first progressive musician... Another bands that payed tribute: Sky, Ekseption, Il Rovescio Della Medaglia... there are too many, but I think that most of symphonic progressive rock bands, anyway, have been influenced by the beloved Johann Sebastian and his unlimited creativity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2004 at 04:29

But don't forget the incredibly progressive-thinking musicians that preceeded Bach, such as Byrd, Monterverdi, Palestrina, Dowland, Gibbons, Tallis, Allegri,  Corelli, Buxtehude (the great organist who Bach practically worshipped!) - and Bach's amazing contemporaries such as Vivaldi, Handel, Purcell and Tartini.

Tartini's "Devil's Trill" sonata is the first recorded example of "shredding", and features a trill passage so demonic that even the very greatest players of the last century have had great difficulty in its execution. I have at least 5 recordings of it, and every one contains a few mistakes. It's more fiendish than anything the poseur Paganini wrote, centuries later.

Bach wrote by numbers - he wasn't that great

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2004 at 04:31
Originally posted by gentstan gentstan wrote:

 

 

Personally, I like to think that many classical composers would be prog rockers if they were alive today.

 

 

I think it would be more likely that they would be composing modern classical music, which is also very challenging...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2004 at 05:08
Good thread, Lucas!!

Now I know it's not prog-rock, but you could do far worse than to check out Jaques Loussier; a French jazz pianist, who has devoted much of his recorded output to jazz adaptations of Bach.

God - imagine if Bach had access to a Hammond B3 connected to a couple of Leslie 145's!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2004 at 05:20
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by gentstan gentstan wrote:

Personally, I like to think that many classical composers would be prog rockers if they were alive today.

I think it would be more likely that they would be composing modern classical music, which is also very challenging...

Serious composers have always relied on commissions and therefore sponsors - he who pays the piper............ However, the miracle is that Mozart Monteverdi Tchaikovsky  progressed within that commercial need to earn a crust, and got the audiences specifically from the middle and upper classes. Serious music which is seriously played for the masses, was one of those changes the 20th century brought about. However, one of many downsides was/is the way the big records companies have come to influence what we heard and what they want us to purchase - and the evidence shows the record companies prefer the tried and tested, which has mass appeal, rather than taking risks. Hence it is a brave band that risks innovating against such a commercial philosophy.

And my half penny's worth: don't forget Walter/Wendy Carlos bringing J.S.B. to the masses. (And didn't Ekeption produce a whole album of Bach transmogrifications???)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2004 at 12:14

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:


God - imagine if Bach had access to a Hammond B3 connected to a couple of Leslie 145's!!!

 Yes!!! And Dick Heath wrote about Walter/Wendy Carlos: Remember the "Switched-On Bach" I & II covers.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2004 at 13:32
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by gentstan gentstan wrote:

 

 

Personally, I like to think that many classical composers would be prog rockers if they were alive today.

 

 

I think it would be more likely that they would be composing modern classical music, which is also very challenging...

Who knows what the gifted composers of the past would create if they had a complete 'digital' orchestra and recording tools/techniques at their fingertips. It might not be rock, but I doubt they would limit themselves with using only classical instrumentation.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2004 at 14:25
I reckon in 200-300 years time, prog will be "classical" music. (Will Yes still be touring though?)Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2004 at 16:35
I love Bach's violin concertos.. My nr 1 relaxation method:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2004 at 17:02

 

Don't forget Steve Hackett's rendition of Bach's Bouree in his 'Momentum' classically priented album. he even labels Bach as "such a great bass player".

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Originally posted by Marcelo Marcelo wrote:

 

 Yes!!! And Dick Heath wrote about Walter/Wendy Carlos: Remember the "Switched-On Bach" I & II covers.  

 

Check this out:

http://www.wendycarlos.com/discs.html

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 01:19

I just listened to Bach's flute Concertos (with Flute and Harpsichord)

simply breathtaking

georgeous stuff

this is why I love Symphonic Prog, the melodic beauty.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 01:36
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by gentstan gentstan wrote:

Personally, I like to think that many classical composers would be prog rockers if they were alive today.

I think it would be more likely that they would be composing modern classical music, which is also very challenging...

I believe Classic, Baroque and even Romantic composers would be creating modern Classical music, Bach is an exception, I also believe he would be making prog, a genre where his magnifiscent organ would really shine.

But I'm almost sure that most if not all late Romantic/Early Modern Russian composers like Cui, Borodin, Rimsky Korsakov, Mussorgski, etc, would be making Progressive Rock.

Mostly because the last ones broke with all the European Clasical composers to make their own music, so my opinion is thatthey would be working with something more experimental like Prog. They were the real predecessors of Prog' because they mixed some classical influences with folkloric Russian music, one of the first examples of real experimentation.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 04:42
Il Rovescio della Medaglia: Contaminazione

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 04:43
Originally posted by gentstan gentstan wrote:

 


 


Personally, I like to think that many classical composers would be prog rockers if they were alive today.


 


 



Better, without Bach no prog-rock!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 07:41
Bach written ones of the most boring pieces in Classical music...I've played almost all his preludes and fugues from the well tempered clavier...now I get tired of it!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 10:14

Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

Bach written ones of the most boring pieces in Classical music...I've played almost all his preludes and fugues from the well tempered clavier...now I get tired of it!!

Maybe it is boring but it will surely better stand the test of time than most of the krautrock/electronic and other weird musics.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 10:16

Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

Bach written ones of the most boring pieces in Classical music...I've played almost all his preludes and fugues from the well tempered clavier...now I get tired of it!!

school damages !     

anyway i don't like Buch that much... and baroque in general 

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