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    Posted: September 22 2005 at 12:32
WinMx and other P2P file sharing sites have received letters from the RIAA (Record Industry Association of America) demanding that their sites "cease and desist." Apparently WinMx and similar sites have taken this threat seriously since they have all shut down. Personally I loved WinMx because of the rare finds available, and also for the fact that you could search for gems not only in America, but on all continents. This made WinMx the best! Plus, I discovered many more prog-related artists on this site that I would not have known about otherwise. How do you feel about this latest news? 
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 12:36
I feel that another thread has already been started about this today already..
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Points: 241 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 12:41
Where is the other thread located Ian? I'd like to read it.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 12:45

Here it is Dennis..

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11902& amp;KW=winmx
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 13:59

I find a ton of prog using Shareaza.


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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 14:20
^ I'll check it out!
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Points: 2383 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 14:23
The ones I use ( The Pirate Bay and DC++ ) are working fine!
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Points: 1230 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 18:19
I doubt P2P will ever die out. No matter how much the RIAA will try to stop it there will always be new ways of obtaining free music and stuffs. I use DC++ and Limewire for music and they still work great. For free software and whatnot torrent sites work well.
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Points: 2530 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 18:35
I use Limewire-its good for me!!
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 02:25

Originally posted by con safo con safo wrote:

I doubt P2P will ever die out.

Heh heh...  At least they keep the lawyers of BRITNEY SPEARS employed.
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Points: 3254 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 03:45
Well the networks that kazza and edonkey where using are still up and can be accsessed by other P2P programs
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I've read about a swiss company which is logging eDonkey activities and then mass-sueing users who offer selected files. Those who own the files pay for that service, and it seems to work pretty well. At the moment they are sueing people who offered a computer game, but if this method works they'll without a doubt expand it to movies and audio.

Don't use P2P ... use www.last.fm instead. It's free, and it makes suggestions. What more do you need?
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 05:33

I wouldn't be very scared about some sues from a Swiss lawfirm, unless I would happen to live in Switzerland.  Are they going to hijack those sued abroad, and bring them to face court to their country?
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Points: 134 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 05:35
eMule so far was the best for me.

So far, I found every prog album I wanted, compiled in a very nice rar.

though, emule is being targeted as Kazaa was, so I started using DC about 1 day ago ;)
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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 05:44
Originally posted by Eetu Pellonpää Eetu Pellonpää wrote:

I wouldn't be very scared about some sues from a Swiss lawfirm, unless I would happen to live in Switzerland.  Are they going to hijack those sued abroad, and bring them to face court to their country?

You don't understand: The swiss company contacts the legal authorities in those country and sues the P2P user on behalf of the rights holders (who have representatives in that country as well). It's really quite effective, trust me.
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 12:18

^ But it's a country-sensitive thing still. I haven't heard any such hassle going on here in Finland. I also think the downloads they are following doesn't concist any "Hungarian folk prog albums", but items which have big sales values (Britney), or are criminal by content (child porn f.ex.).

I still don't think there's any problem here, if you are a moral user. Of course this may change, but they will never get me alive! I'll take the first one of them approching me with me! I have an axe!

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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 12:26
^ That company is making profit out of this ... so if it is successful, why shouldn't they extend it to any country that has laws that prohibit file sharing?
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 16:00

^ Laws are not international. I'm not saying that they wouldn't try to do it, but I doubt that they would succeed in it. The Swiss may contact local authorities here, but why would Finnish lawyers spend their time on such things? There's not very big amounts of money moving around in the discography of GÄA.

You said you have read somewhere that information. What was the magazine? I hope you don't feel offended, if I don't buy this thing very easily. It's possible I'm wrong, but I just don't believe it until I see it with my own eyes. <- stupid, stuborn finnish mentality

Besides, I think there are lots of more disturbing thing around throubling me, than suspected lawsuit from a foreing (non-EU) bureau. My life is not very dependant on any P2P server, as I collect my music on vinyls, and not mp3s. And I don't believe, anything I would ever be even interested to check out through P2P servers, would be any interest of RIAA. Let's not get hysterical, but wacth calmly how these issues escalate.
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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 16:30

^ It's all over the news in Germany. This is the company:

http://www.logistepag.com/

BTW: There are no lawyers involved. They contact the legal authorities which then write you a letter informing you that you've been caught offering a file. You then can pay a fine or risk a trial. No matter what you do, the legal authorities give your address to the rights holders, which then charge you another amount of money for their expenses.

In the article it said that for offering a PC game which normally costs 50€, one has to pay a 50€ fine and 150€ compensation to the rights holders.

Great business concept!
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2005 at 01:35

^ It's not anywhere in Finnish news. There's always lawyers involved in sues. The personell of Logistepaq do not control legal authorities of any country, it's up to them to respond to their silly notes. Do you realize, that they truly aren't obligated to do so? They simply cannot forced to respond at any kind of pleas.

This doesn't convince me still, forgive me.

This thing sounds as a news which would interest and scare people, so I wouldn't wonder that such article is spreaded in media. Selling articles about peoples fears, now that's a great business concept!
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