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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:38
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Yes, Badmotorfinger is cool. Rusty Cage was my first contact with soundgarden (saw the video on MTV).

It's too bad that Chris didn't continue what he started with Euphoria Morning and founded Audioslave instead ...

Euphoria Morning is an awesome and extremely underrated album.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:41
^ yes ... and unfortunately also not exactly prog. An underrated alternative rock gem.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 19:29
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I guess I'm a little more lenient than you - I still support Queen because of Queen II and Sheer Heart Attack. But I know what you mean. I would not have added Queen, it's simply not necessary to have them in the archives.

BTW: According to one of our collaborators Deep Purple are more progressive than Devin Townsend ... it's really difficult to talk about specific bands being prog or not when the persons involved in the discussion have that different opinions on prog as a whole. I mean, there really isn't any basis for a meaningful discussion.

Agreed, i personaly find zeppelin more progressive than deep purple even though thats just me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 23:34
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I guess I'm a little more lenient than you - I still support Queen because of Queen II and Sheer Heart Attack. But I know what you mean. I would not have added Queen, it's simply not necessary to have them in the archives.

BTW: According to one of our collaborators Deep Purple are more progressive than Devin Townsend ... it's really difficult to talk about specific bands being prog or not when the persons involved in the discussion have that different opinions on prog as a whole. I mean, there really isn't any basis for a meaningful discussion.

Agreed, i personaly find zeppelin more progressive than deep purple even though thats just me.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2005 at 00:55

Led Zeppelin = Not Prog

I love Led Zeppelin, but ya have to draw the line somewhere

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2005 at 04:07

We need another prog genre to file them in the Archives!

What about Progressive Blues/Guitar Rock.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2005 at 15:17

It is the fourth topic about prog- no prog- proto prog- some prog related groups where I actively participate with my modest opinion. I think that above the consideration due to bands who really deservs our respect for the contribution they gave to music, such as Led Zeppelin or Deep Purple I consider the following: they are groups which evolved and developed their own language outside the Prog music. They were ricognised in their times as hard rock- heavy rock - blues rock etc.etc but not as prog.

It is misleading to include them into the PROG Archive. Somewhere else some of you fellows stated this could be called ROCK Archive, but is not Sorry I don't credit it because I don't remember which thread was, but I agree.

We are talking about prog.Please Discriminate it. There are good great bands which plays Blues Rock, Metal, Jazz, Fusion. We like them we love them. But here we talk  about prog. It is a site which aim is stated as

PROG ARCHIVES intends to be the most complete and powerful progressive rock resource

As a resource it is meant to be a guide for who, like me and you loves this gendre. It is a way to know other bands, other music related to PROG. If we go on including everything we like it will become a MUSIC ENCYCOLPEDIA. Fine if the aim of the site is this, than change it.

For instance I was looking for some groups I didn't know. I read about Ozric Tentacles. I got Arborescence and I enjoyed this PROG album. Then I read about Radiohead, I got Bends and I found that to my teste it wasn't prog. Still good, but not PROG.

What I mean is just responsability of all of us to recognise the consistent PROGGines of a group and then propose and include it. Traces of PROG doesn't mean is a PROG group.

Otherwise let's include all: for Time changes Soundgarden and System of a Down, Classical interpretations unusual instruments Apocaliptyca, In concert with Orchestra Metallica etc.etc.

By the way I like all the music from those bands and I grown with Led Zep, it is just a matter that this is a PROG site. Again is my point of seeing.

A related provocation:

What do you think of John Paul Jones solo career? Is it ZOOMA a prog related album? I like it, is from DMG (Mr. Fripp's label) it features Trey Gunn on one track, it has strange sounds on two tracks, it features weird time signatures (listen to the closing track) it is all instrumental, I saw them on tour and they played on an unusual trio configuration (Drums, 10strings bass and Stick)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2005 at 17:32
I guess I was wrong about Zep and I admit, they had some prog songs, but a few sons isn't enough to get the band added. For the most part they were a very instumentally tight blues rock band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 19:19
Zep deserves to be there! Bump, to this thread!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 21:48
To me they're exactly the type of band the prog-related section was invented for...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 21:59
A firm no to anything except maybe prog-related. I don't think they had any significant influence on prog at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2006 at 05:30
Originally posted by thrang theng thrang theng wrote:

PROG ARCHIVES intends to be the most complete and powerful progressive rock resource

That was either compromised, or not fully achieved by additions and omissions. Long ago.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2006 at 06:26
I found this quote here in this thread, it's from our chief Max:

"Led Zep won't be accepted ,
but THE BEATLES -- Yes (with special mention why they should be...) !  "
 
 
My conclusion: "Democracy rules here on Prog Archives ...Dead ...

 



Edited by erik neuteboom - July 12 2006 at 07:00
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2006 at 06:38
Of course Led Zeppelin belongs in the archives. Not even a matter of discussion. End.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2006 at 04:49
Originally posted by Kubla Khan Kubla Khan wrote:

WHITOUT `ZEPPELIN MANY OF OUR BELOVED PROG BANDS MAY NEVER HAVE BORN.
I can only agree with that.  I just shake my head in disbelief at the resistance at the inclusion of some of the legends.  If we applied a strict and ARTISTIC criteria to inclusions, about 60% featured on the Archives would fall by the wayside? Perhaps leaving room for another 60% resisted?
 
This is no longer Prog with Queen, Talk Talk, blah, blah, blah, this is becoming of a farce !
 
(Tony R. For my sincere opinions/observations in the past I now find myself no longer a Special Collaborator, but a Prog Reviewer instead.  I expect another pulling up, but the Archives are not living up to what's expected these days.  It now seems like a vehicle for a handful of opinionated individuals, with the rest of contributors are only being used for, or against justification. Not pretty.)
 
 
  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2006 at 04:56
Originally posted by S Lang S Lang wrote:

Originally posted by Kubla Khan Kubla Khan wrote:


WHITOUT `ZEPPELIN MANY OF OUR BELOVED PROG BANDS MAY NEVER HAVE BORN.
I can only agree with that.  I just shake my head in disbelief at the resistance at the inclusion of some of the legends.  If we applied a strict and ARTISTIC criteria to inclusions, about 60% featured on the Archives would fall by the wayside? Perhaps leaving room for another 60% resisted?
 
This is no longer Prog with Queen, Talk Talk, blah, blah, blah, this is becoming of a farce !
 
(Tony R. For my sincere opinions/observations in the past I now find myself no longer a Special Collaborator, but a Prog Reviewer instead.  I expect another pulling up, but the Archives are not living up to what's expected these days.  It now seems like a vehicle for a handful of opinionated individuals, with the rest of contributors are only being used for, or against justification. Not pretty.)
 
 
  
 
Further to that, I'd like to see the inclusion of Led Zeppelin, Free, Bad Company, Paul Rodgers, John McLaughlin, Miles Davis - and for Heaven's sake - Jimi Hendrix, along with Cream and others resisted.
 
Progressive is not a word to be hijacked for a personal interpretation, it was a MOVEMENT, not a style back then in the early '70's!
Many contributing to the Archives weren't even born at the time when I was having untold pleasure at listening to Progressive Music, something that's resisted here.
 
(Besides, Robert Plant's use of his voice alone would qualify the band!)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2006 at 05:04
The native North-American indian would say about this topic and the PA policy: "White man speaks with two tongues!"   ..Wink ...

Edited by erik neuteboom - July 14 2006 at 05:04
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2006 at 05:30
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

I found this quote here in this thread, it's from our chief Max:

"Led Zep won't be accepted ,
but THE BEATLES -- Yes (with special mention why they should be...) !  "
 
 
My conclusion: "Democracy rules here on Prog Archives ...Dead ...

 



Why the hell are you bringing democracy into this? Who says that there needs to be as democracy? Now that would be a mistake!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2006 at 06:06
Sorry Snowdog, I am from the wrong planet ... Dead ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2006 at 06:43
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Sorry Snowdog, I am from the wrong planet ... Dead ...


Not at all Erik. I know you have had problems writing Bios etc, only to find bands you are working on being added without your knowledge and I truly sympathise. But at no time can I see that there has been any intention of democracy here. No one has ever claimed it to be a democracy!
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