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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 08:10
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

You'd have to have my top (or bottom) 10 I'm afraid (although they are in no particular order)....

1) We have a criminal housing shortage with up to 1,000,000 children with no permanent address, while the ownership of second/holiday homes is going through the roof.

2) We are running out of landfill sites, and yet local councils won't put money into proper recycling schemes.

3) We have an ailing, privatised public transport structure, which is so poor in rural areas, that it forces familes to travcel practically everywhere by car.

4) We are STILL in Iraq, with no possibility of parole...

5) Our town and city centres are not safe to walk around at night, unless you fancy the prospect of being kicked unconscious by a drunk chav.

6) Drug related crimes are causing a spiralling Gun culture in many of our cities, while theft from shopping centres and burglaries are rising.

7) The overall gap between Rich & Poor in this country is growing every year, despite the fact that we have a nominally socialist government.

8) A significant portion of the younger generations of ethnic minorities are becoming increasingly detatched from our society, marginalised and alienated from the idea of citizenship.

9) Our increasing obsession with 'Celebrity' is breeding false values, landing many yuong people into incredible levels of personal debt, as they strive to keep up with an image of a lifestyle they think they are entitled to.

10) Isolationism within society...the rise of domestic violence, one parent families, children in care, and the fact that no-one seam to know, or care, who their neighbour are any more...

.....do any of our overseas forum members still think that Britain would be a great place to live?

.....do any of our domestic forum members think that I'm overstating the case?

I think you've painted a pretty accurate picture of Britain there. But i'm sure a lot of other countries in Europe have the same problem?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 08:39
Two words:

Celine...Dion...


Marmalade...I like marmalade.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 08:50
Originally posted by Paradox Paradox wrote:

Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

You'd have to have my top (or bottom) 10 I'm afraid (although they are in no particular order)....

1) We have a criminal housing shortage with up to 1,000,000 children with no permanent address, while the ownership of second/holiday homes is going through the roof.

2) We are running out of landfill sites, and yet local councils won't put money into proper recycling schemes.

3) We have an ailing, privatised public transport structure, which is so poor in rural areas, that it forces familes to travcel practically everywhere by car.

4) We are STILL in Iraq, with no possibility of parole...

5) Our town and city centres are not safe to walk around at night, unless you fancy the prospect of being kicked unconscious by a drunk chav.

6) Drug related crimes are causing a spiralling Gun culture in many of our cities, while theft from shopping centres and burglaries are rising.

7) The overall gap between Rich & Poor in this country is growing every year, despite the fact that we have a nominally socialist government.

8) A significant portion of the younger generations of ethnic minorities are becoming increasingly detatched from our society, marginalised and alienated from the idea of citizenship.

9) Our increasing obsession with 'Celebrity' is breeding false values, landing many yuong people into incredible levels of personal debt, as they strive to keep up with an image of a lifestyle they think they are entitled to.

10) Isolationism within society...the rise of domestic violence, one parent families, children in care, and the fact that no-one seam to know, or care, who their neighbour are any more...

.....do any of our overseas forum members still think that Britain would be a great place to live?

.....do any of our domestic forum members think that I'm overstating the case?

I think you've painted a pretty accurate picture of Britain there. But i'm sure a lot of other countries in Europe have the same problem?



Not only Europe.  South Africa has some of the same problems.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 09:23
Originally posted by Cluster One Cluster One wrote:

Two words:

Celine...Dion...





and Bryan Adams

BLAME CANADA
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 09:51
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

The ACLU, Hurricane Rita and yes Iraq is even pissing me off!


Have to agree with you on the ACLU.  But don't forget NOW.


AKA National Association of Gals (NAG)!

hmm, Mark, 2nd time you disappoint me. the ACLU? I am more worried
about the decline of civil liberties in my former home country

I can't condone an organization that aids terrorists Jean. Do you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 09:56
Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

The ACLU, Hurricane Rita and yes Iraq is even pissing me off!


Have to agree with you on the ACLU.  But don't forget NOW.


AKA National Association of Gals (NAG)!

hmm, Mark, 2nd time you disappoint me. the ACLU? I am more worried
about the decline of civil liberties in my former home country

I can't condone an organization that aids terrorists Jean. Do you?

Does that mean that you're also against the CIA?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 10:24
LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 10:47
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:


Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

The ACLU, Hurricane Rita and yes Iraq is even pissing me off!


Have to agree with you on the ACLU.  But don't forget NOW.


AKA National Association of Gals (NAG)!
hmm, Mark, 2nd time you disappoint me. the ACLU? I am more worried about the decline of civil liberties in my former home country
I can't condone an organization that aids terrorists Jean. Do you?


Does that mean that you're also against the CIA?


 


Depends on which terrorists they're supporting. I can only guess that you must have top security clearance and know all this. Right?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 11:04
Originally posted by Angeldust Angeldust wrote:

What's the worst thing that's happening in your country these years ?


Average people are getting more and more stupid, especially the young who are all "rappers". The suburb under culture becomes predominant, the langage is getting poorer and poorer, and the media contribute to this situation. I'm afaid it's a world phenomenon among western societies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 11:20
Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:


Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

The ACLU, Hurricane Rita and yes Iraq is even pissing me off!


Have to agree with you on the ACLU.  But don't forget NOW.


AKA National Association of Gals (NAG)!
hmm, Mark, 2nd time you disappoint me. the ACLU? I am more worried about the decline of civil liberties in my former home country
I can't condone an organization that aids terrorists Jean. Do you?


Does that mean that you're also against the CIA?


 


Depends on which terrorists they're supporting. I can only guess that you must have top security clearance and know all this. Right?

Disengenuous remark of the week award goes to The Shark.

C'mon Mark surely youre not invoking Plausible Denialbilty on us?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 11:43
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:


Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

The ACLU, Hurricane Rita and yes Iraq is even pissing me off!


Have to agree with you on the ACLU.  But don't forget NOW.


AKA National Association of Gals (NAG)!
hmm, Mark, 2nd time you disappoint me. the ACLU? I am more worried about the decline of civil liberties in my former home country
I can't condone an organization that aids terrorists Jean. Do you?


Does that mean that you're also against the CIA?


 


Depends on which terrorists they're supporting. I can only guess that you must have top security clearance and know all this. Right?


Disengenuous remark of the week award goes to The Shark.


C'mon Mark surely youre not invoking Plausible Denialbilty on us?


"I can neither confirm or deny the aiding of terrorists by any US organizations"



Except the ACLU.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 12:00
I can neither confirm nor deny my security rating. Neither am I at liberty to divulge my sources.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 12:17

Originally posted by BitchBrew BitchBrew wrote:

LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES

with Velvy on the loose, i think you have bigger problems to worry about.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 12:46
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<font size="7">LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES


Left wing is not much better!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 13:01
  • Poverty
  • Corruption
  • Organized crime
  • Illiteracy
  • Drugs
  • ...
  • .....
  • .......

break the circle

reset my head

wake the sleepwalker

and i'll wake the dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 13:48

fandango wrote:

You'd have to have my top (or bottom) 10 I'm afraid (although they are in no particular order)....

1) We have a criminal housing shortage with up to 1,000,000 children with no permanent address, while the ownership of second/holiday homes is going through the roof.

2) We are running out of landfill sites, and yet local councils won't put money into proper recycling schemes.

3) We have an ailing, privatised public transport structure, which is so poor in rural areas, that it forces familes to travcel practically everywhere by car.

4) We are STILL in Iraq, with no possibility of parole...

5) Our town and city centres are not safe to walk around at night, unless you fancy the prospect of being kicked unconscious by a drunk chav.

6) Drug related crimes are causing a spiralling Gun culture in many of our cities, while theft from shopping centres and burglaries are rising.

7) The overall gap between Rich & Poor in this country is growing every year, despite the fact that we have a nominally socialist government.

8) A significant portion of the younger generations of ethnic minorities are becoming increasingly detatched from our society, marginalised and alienated from the idea of citizenship.

9) Our increasing obsession with 'Celebrity' is breeding false values, landing many yuong people into incredible levels of personal debt, as they strive to keep up with an image of a lifestyle they think they are entitled to.

10) Isolationism within society...the rise of domestic violence, one parent families, children in care, and the fact that no-one seam to know, or care, who their neighbour are any more...

.....do any of our overseas forum members still think that Britain would be a great place to live?

.....do any of our domestic forum members think that I'm overstating the case?

I think you've painted a pretty accurate picture of Britain there. But i'm sure a lot of other countries in Europe have the same problem?

Happen you are right on the results Fan, but the cause IMO is that people have no sense of responsibility and are allowed to get away with it. Speaking as a member of a minority group that is. English born, married (once), own kids (none from other relationships), employed (31 years), one house.

The housing shortage is not through lack of building but vast changes in social structure - more single people with money to buy. In an island the size of ours it doesn't take much to upset the balance. Population size hasn't gone up drastically - compared with the demand for housing in the last 20 years or so.

Nobody is interested in recycling - it's too easy and too cheap to buy heavily packaged goods that get thrown away. So why not buy less things or not buy things so well packaged.

You missed out the car culture by the way. Don't forget we had a good public transport system before mass car ownership. And people were prepared to accept and work within the provision of PT!

Point number 9 is a good one. Why do we minor celebrities out of people who run up massive debts, have disgusting houses and are socially challenged?

Can't see much happening to change though.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 14:47
Originally posted by limeyrob limeyrob wrote:

The housing shortage is not through lack of building but vast changes in social structure - more single people with money to buy. In an island the size of ours it doesn't take much to upset the balance. Population size hasn't gone up drastically - compared with the demand for housing in the last 20 years or so.

You make some good points, but this one I'll pick up on just briefly.  I wouldn't go as far as to say that property is theft, but it is a limited resource which we have to own sparingly, and with consideration for others.

There are whole swathes of the countryside where the average starter home is seriously out of the range of young local people (like round here) because they are bought up by retiring people from the South East of Birmingham.  Some places in Cornwall, Devon & Norfolk Broads have over 90% of their housing under second home ownership.

I don't think its right to say there are single people with money to buy....the spare money in this country of mostly with the 50 plus bracket...but its single people with a desperate need for somewhere to live, to such an extent that they are willing to pay out more than half their salary on rent.......in places like here, where a 1 room bedsit will go for over £400pcm (and I don't live in the South East!).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 16:04

The house prices are so dear in England, that even the Basking sharks are moving north to Scotland.

However i think it is a bit much picking on one parent families, not all of them have chosen to be single, but are and try to carry with their lives. The UK ain't a bad place to live, there are some parts i'd rather not go to, but others i'd give my right arm for. Every country has something wrong with it, regardless. As for the Iraq war, we went in for the reasons but got rid of the right man and his cronies. Blair maybe a liar, which politician isn't, but at leasst the rest of the world didn't have Thatcher, or the sneering Tories in power for 17 years.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2005 at 16:55

The Bush Admin.

So much wasted potential after 9/11, he coulda been a great president.

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