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coffeeintheface
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 22:18 | ||||
I read in the Relayer Remastered Edition booklet that Yes were staunch vegetarians during the 70s, mainly for health benefits. So I highly doubt they did drugs. If they didn't, good for them, it proves that freaking awesome music doesn't have to be chemically infleunced. |
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Hemispheres
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Posted: September 20 2005 at 22:27 | ||||
probbably more so imo and yes are always making random drug references do your research Edited by Hemispheres |
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krauthead
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 02:39 | ||||
Thx for the info Freide, I didn't knew all this Yes the early Krautrock is very drug-influenced and I'm not saying that all of them did drugs but even if bands like Amon Düül II would come out to the light and say that they were against drugs I wouldn't believe it one second. |
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Doesburger
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 05:38 | ||||
Why????? Why do you want to know that???? Curiosity? (like people staring, while driving!!, at an accident scene!!) You're anti/pro drug and want to push you're issue? (like people saying Enya is anti-christian because some of her lyrics could be analysed/twisted to make it appear she's a wiccan witch) And to all those people here who are "SURE" this band or band-member, use acid/mescaline/heroin/cocaine/whatever, how do YOU know? Hearsay? The band/band-member said so? (like you should believe everything on radio/tv/newspaper...) You want it to be so? |
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kirk
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 10:31 | ||||
oh, the scandal of it all! we should clarify for the conservatives that kurt cobain was "on drugs".... yes smoking pot doesn't qualify. . also, drugs are manufactured. cannabis is an herb. kirk
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goose
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 10:35 | ||||
Sorry, that's just not true. |
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kirk
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 11:20 | ||||
yeah? name a "drug" that isn't manufactured, legal or illegal besides pot that comes to us right out of the ground. heroine, cocaine require intensive processing, as does meth ect. manufacturing LSD requires a knowledge of chemistry. while cannabis contains compounds, such as THC, they're not sythisized. isolating and synthisizing compounds allows the phamaceutical companies to file for patent. the reason pot is illegal in the US has nothing to w/ health concerns- see tobacco, alchohol, which can be controlled and taxed, the root of the problem. k
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goose
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 11:54 | ||||
Tobacco, salvia, magic mushrooms, that thing that South American tribes take which I forget the name of but begins with an A, I think. And pot is manufactured, it's only the leaf itself which isn't.
edit: reading a little it seems Ayahuacsa needs boiling or something, but I do find that morning glory seeds are a bit psychedelic. Edited by goose |
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kirk
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 12:36 | ||||
those are plants and fungi. my point exactly. they contain varying degrees of mind alerting compounds, but they're not "drugs". "drugs" are manufactured..by drug companies... ...sold in drug stores. too much of almost any plant can be toxic. we must have a different definition of "drugs"..or "druqks" > pot is manufactured, it's only the leaf itself which isn't. wheat is grown. pasta is manufactured from it. coca leaves are grown. cocaine, heroin is manufactured from it. what you're referring to is processing for consumption. from webster's- Main Entry: 2manufacture where the hell is the dutch guy? k |
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MorgothSunshine
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 12:36 | ||||
Are drugs MORE common in prog? I think so...
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BaldJean
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 12:53 | ||||
you only have to read the biography of Amon Düül ("Tanz der Lemminge" by Ingeborg Schober, who for some time was befriended with them) to know that they were big pot- and acidheads and did mandrax too Edited by BaldJean |
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BitchBrew
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 13:00 | ||||
So do I. Well, at least the psychedeilc/space prog. I mean dose names speak for themself don't they!? Pink Floyd are full of drug-referens. |
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krauthead
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 13:00 | ||||
Hi Jean and thx btw Sounds cool... never heard of that, does it exist in English language? |
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BaldJean
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 13:04 | ||||
not that I know of, sorry just checked with amazon, and they only have a German edition. so it seems not Edited by BaldJean |
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krauthead
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 13:12 | ||||
That's ok Jean Thanks, it was some serious good info anyway |
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goose
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 13:45 | ||||
Hash is made from the raw material cannabis plant by squeezing it and stuff - I don't know the exact process. Marijuana isn't manufactured, for sure, but hash is certainly:
Now I'm not going to call that the outright truth, since it's quoted from wiki, but the etymology is quite telling, assuming it's correct.
http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry_main/50070232?query_type =word&queryword=drug&first=1&max_to_show=10& sort_type=alpha&search_id=I8yh-HkudFf-1942&result_pl ace=1&case_id=I8yh-jvrbbJ-1946&hilite=50070232 also agrees on the first bit, although it doesn't mention any etymology. |
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kirk
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 14:21 | ||||
we weren't discussing hashish. we were discussing marijuana, aka the herb. Etymology: Middle English herbe, from Old French, from Latin herba ..if that's important somehow.
i'm breaking from the topic after this. it's a ridiculous subject to begin with. of course most of the 70's proggers were writng on various mind altering substances. and you know else? probably fornicating. . i should say, i haven't used an illegal drug in years. it's just that the harm level doesn't match the hysteria. as les claypool said "more people have died from eating cheese than from marijuana". p e a c e out kirk
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 15:14 | ||||
Don't confuse current "prog" and real guenuine prog. Virtually all bands were on acid or at least MJ, except zappa who was against "drugs", but his musicians were not... |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 15:16 | ||||
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 16:46 | ||||
Look at the beatles before and after they did drugs. The noly band that got better once they we're off drugs was aerosmith, the rest were better stoned I want DT to start getting blazed |
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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