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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2005 at 22:18
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

It depends on the band  But I'm 100000000% percent sure that Yes, King Crimson and Jethro Tull were big acid treepers!



I read in the Relayer Remastered Edition booklet that Yes were staunch vegetarians during the 70s, mainly for health benefits. So I highly doubt they did drugs. If they didn't, good for them, it proves that freaking awesome music doesn't have to be chemically infleunced.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2005 at 22:27

Originally posted by GatesOfDelirium GatesOfDelirium wrote:

Definitely not.
Drugs are just as commonplace in prog as in any other kind of music.

probbably more so imo

and yes are always making random drug references do your research



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 02:39

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Guru Guru guitarist Roland Schaeffer answered the question of "Elektrolurch" Mani Neumeier "Was bedeutet eigentlich der Name Guru Guru?" ("What does the name Guru Guru mean, by the way?"; this is one of the questions the Elektrolurch asks the band) with "Täglich fit mit 2 Gramm sh*t" (a little difficult to translate into English, but it is as if he said "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", only replacing "apple" with "2 grams of hashish") on the album "Guru Guru Live". And they announced they would now play the "silent trumpet" on stage in one concert, after which someone with a trumpet appeared on stage, and into the horn they had stuffed a gigantic joint. They all took a deep draw, and then they gave the trumpet to the audience. I know this from tales of my brother, who saw them on the 1976 or 1977 Brain Festival in Essen (don't know the exact year at the moment). Also they definitely didn't have a track named "Der LSD-Marsch" ("The LSD-March") on their first album for nothing.
Gong, Hawkwind and Amon Düül 2 were excessive drug users too. Ash Ra Tempel and the Cosmic Jokers (basically the same band) were befriended with LSD-Guru Timothy Leary, which certainly says something about them too. Let's face it: Most of the early Krautrock is heavily drug-influenced.

Thx for the info Freide, I didn't knew all this 

Yes the early Krautrock is very drug-influenced and I'm not saying that all of them did drugs but even if bands like Amon Düül II would come out to the light and say that they were against drugs I wouldn't believe it one second.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 05:38

Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

It's calling my attention that prog bands don't usually take drugs, is that true?....

Why????? Why do you want to know that???? Curiosity? (like people staring, while driving!!, at an accident scene!!) You're anti/pro drug and want to push you're issue? (like people saying Enya is anti-christian because some of her lyrics could be analysed/twisted to make it appear she's a wiccan witch)

And to all those people here who are "SURE" this band or band-member, use acid/mescaline/heroin/cocaine/whatever, how do YOU know? Hearsay? The band/band-member said so? (like you should believe everything on radio/tv/newspaper...) You want it to be so?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 10:31

  oh, the scandal of it all!

  we should clarify for the conservatives that kurt cobain was "on drugs"....

 yes smoking pot doesn't qualify. .

 also, drugs are manufactured. cannabis is an herb.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 10:35
Originally posted by kirk kirk wrote:

 also, drugs are manufactured

Sorry, that's just not true.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 11:20

 yeah? name a "drug" that isn't manufactured, legal or illegal besides pot

that comes to us right out of the ground.

 heroine, cocaine require intensive processing, as does meth ect.

 manufacturing LSD requires a knowledge of chemistry.

 while cannabis contains compounds, such as THC, they're not sythisized.

   isolating and synthisizing compounds allows the phamaceutical companies to

 file for patent.

 the reason pot is illegal in the US has nothing to w/ health concerns-

see tobacco, alchohol, which can be controlled and taxed, the root of the problem.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 11:54
Tobacco, salvia, magic mushrooms, that thing that South American tribes take which I forget the name of but begins with an A, I think. And pot is manufactured, it's only the leaf itself which isn't.
edit: reading a little it seems Ayahuacsa needs boiling or something, but I do find that morning glory seeds are a bit psychedelic.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 12:36

  those are plants and fungi. my point exactly.

 they contain varying degrees of mind alerting compounds,

but they're not "drugs". "drugs" are manufactured..by drug companies...

...sold in drug stores. too much of almost any plant can be toxic.

  we must have a different definition of "drugs"..or "druqks"

>  pot is manufactured, it's only the leaf itself which isn't.

    wheat is grown. pasta is manufactured from it.

 coca leaves are grown. cocaine, heroin is manufactured from it.

  what you're referring to is processing for consumption.

from webster's-

 Main Entry: 2manufacture
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -tured; man·u·fac·tur·ing /-'fak-ch&-ri[ng], -'fak-shri[ng]/
transitive senses
 : to make from raw materials by hand or by machinery b : to produce according to an organized plan and with division of labor
 : INVENT, FABRICATE
 : to produce as if by manufacturing : CREATE

  where the hell is the dutch guy?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 12:36

Are drugs MORE common in prog?

I think so...

 

For every truth even the contrary is true...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 12:53
Originally posted by krauthead krauthead wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Guru Guru guitarist Roland Schaeffer answered the question of "Elektrolurch" Mani Neumeier "Was bedeutet eigentlich der Name Guru Guru?" ("What does the name Guru Guru mean, by the way?"; this is one of the questions the Elektrolurch asks the band) with "Täglich fit mit 2 Gramm sh*t" (a little difficult to translate into English, but it is as if he said "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", only replacing "apple" with "2 grams of hashish") on the album "Guru Guru Live". And they announced they would now play the "silent trumpet" on stage in one concert, after which someone with a trumpet appeared on stage, and into the horn they had stuffed a gigantic joint. They all took a deep draw, and then they gave the trumpet to the audience. I know this from tales of my brother, who saw them on the 1976 or 1977 Brain Festival in Essen (don't know the exact year at the moment). Also they definitely didn't have a track named "Der LSD-Marsch" ("The LSD-March") on their first album for nothing.
Gong, Hawkwind and Amon Düül 2 were excessive drug users too. Ash Ra Tempel and the Cosmic Jokers (basically the same band) were befriended with LSD-Guru Timothy Leary, which certainly says something about them too. Let's face it: Most of the early Krautrock is heavily drug-influenced.

Thx for the info Freide, I didn't knew all this 

Yes the early Krautrock is very drug-influenced and I'm not saying that all of them did drugs but even if bands like Amon Düül II would come out to the light and say that they were against drugs I wouldn't believe it one second.


you only have to read the biography of Amon Düül ("Tanz der Lemminge" by Ingeborg Schober, who for some time was befriended with them) to know that they were big pot- and acidheads and did mandrax too


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 13:00
Originally posted by MorgothSunshine MorgothSunshine wrote:

Are drugs MORE common in prog?

I think so...

 


So do I. Well, at least the psychedeilc/space prog. I mean dose names speak for themself don't they!? Pink Floyd are full of drug-referens.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 13:00
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by krauthead krauthead wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Guru Guru guitarist Roland Schaeffer answered the question of "Elektrolurch" Mani Neumeier "Was bedeutet eigentlich der Name Guru Guru?" ("What does the name Guru Guru mean, by the way?"; this is one of the questions the Elektrolurch asks the band) with "Täglich fit mit 2 Gramm sh*t" (a little difficult to translate into English, but it is as if he said "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", only replacing "apple" with "2 grams of hashish") on the album "Guru Guru Live". And they announced they would now play the "silent trumpet" on stage in one concert, after which someone with a trumpet appeared on stage, and into the horn they had stuffed a gigantic joint. They all took a deep draw, and then they gave the trumpet to the audience. I know this from tales of my brother, who saw them on the 1976 or 1977 Brain Festival in Essen (don't know the exact year at the moment). Also they definitely didn't have a track named "Der LSD-Marsch" ("The LSD-March") on their first album for nothing.
Gong, Hawkwind and Amon Düül 2 were excessive drug users too. Ash Ra Tempel and the Cosmic Jokers (basically the same band) were befriended with LSD-Guru Timothy Leary, which certainly says something about them too. Let's face it: Most of the early Krautrock is heavily drug-influenced.

Thx for the info Freide, I didn't knew all this 

Yes the early Krautrock is very drug-influenced and I'm not saying that all of them did drugs but even if bands like Amon Düül II would come out to the light and say that they were against drugs I wouldn't believe it one second.


you only have to read the biography of Amon Düül ("Tanz der Lemminge" by Ingeborg Schober, who for some time was befriended with them) to know that they were big pot- and acidheads and did mandrax too

Hi Jean and thx btw 

Sounds cool... never heard of that, does it exist in English language?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 13:04
Originally posted by krauthead krauthead wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by krauthead krauthead wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Guru Guru guitarist Roland Schaeffer answered the question of "Elektrolurch" Mani Neumeier "Was bedeutet eigentlich der Name Guru Guru?" ("What does the name Guru Guru mean, by the way?"; this is one of the questions the Elektrolurch asks the band) with "Täglich fit mit 2 Gramm sh*t" (a little difficult to translate into English, but it is as if he said "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", only replacing "apple" with "2 grams of hashish") on the album "Guru Guru Live". And they announced they would now play the "silent trumpet" on stage in one concert, after which someone with a trumpet appeared on stage, and into the horn they had stuffed a gigantic joint. They all took a deep draw, and then they gave the trumpet to the audience. I know this from tales of my brother, who saw them on the 1976 or 1977 Brain Festival in Essen (don't know the exact year at the moment). Also they definitely didn't have a track named "Der LSD-Marsch" ("The LSD-March") on their first album for nothing.
Gong, Hawkwind and Amon Düül 2 were excessive drug users too. Ash Ra Tempel and the Cosmic Jokers (basically the same band) were befriended with LSD-Guru Timothy Leary, which certainly says something about them too. Let's face it: Most of the early Krautrock is heavily drug-influenced.

Thx for the info Freide, I didn't knew all this 

Yes the early Krautrock is very drug-influenced and I'm not saying that all of them did drugs but even if bands like Amon Düül II would come out to the light and say that they were against drugs I wouldn't believe it one second.


you only have to read the biography of Amon Düül ("Tanz der Lemminge" by Ingeborg Schober, who for some time was befriended with them) to know that they were big pot- and acidheads and did mandrax too

Hi Jean and thx btw 

Sounds cool... never heard of that, does it exist in English language?


not that I know of, sorry
just checked with amazon, and they only have a German edition. so it seems not


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 13:12
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by krauthead krauthead wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by krauthead krauthead wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Guru Guru guitarist Roland Schaeffer answered the question of "Elektrolurch" Mani Neumeier "Was bedeutet eigentlich der Name Guru Guru?" ("What does the name Guru Guru mean, by the way?"; this is one of the questions the Elektrolurch asks the band) with "Täglich fit mit 2 Gramm sh*t" (a little difficult to translate into English, but it is as if he said "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", only replacing "apple" with "2 grams of hashish") on the album "Guru Guru Live". And they announced they would now play the "silent trumpet" on stage in one concert, after which someone with a trumpet appeared on stage, and into the horn they had stuffed a gigantic joint. They all took a deep draw, and then they gave the trumpet to the audience. I know this from tales of my brother, who saw them on the 1976 or 1977 Brain Festival in Essen (don't know the exact year at the moment). Also they definitely didn't have a track named "Der LSD-Marsch" ("The LSD-March") on their first album for nothing.
Gong, Hawkwind and Amon Düül 2 were excessive drug users too. Ash Ra Tempel and the Cosmic Jokers (basically the same band) were befriended with LSD-Guru Timothy Leary, which certainly says something about them too. Let's face it: Most of the early Krautrock is heavily drug-influenced.

Thx for the info Freide, I didn't knew all this 

Yes the early Krautrock is very drug-influenced and I'm not saying that all of them did drugs but even if bands like Amon Düül II would come out to the light and say that they were against drugs I wouldn't believe it one second.


you only have to read the biography of Amon Düül ("Tanz der Lemminge" by Ingeborg Schober, who for some time was befriended with them) to know that they were big pot- and acidheads and did mandrax too

Hi Jean and thx btw 

Sounds cool... never heard of that, does it exist in English language?


not that I know of, sorry

That's ok Jean 

Thanks, it was some serious good info anyway 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 13:45
Originally posted by kirk kirk wrote:

 

from webster's-

 Main Entry: 2manufacture
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -tured; man·u·fac·tur·ing /-'fak-ch&-ri[ng], -'fak-shri[ng]/
transitive senses
 : to make from raw materials by hand or by machinery b : to produce according to an

Hash is made from the raw material cannabis plant by squeezing it and stuff - I don't know the exact process. Marijuana isn't manufactured, for sure, but hash is certainly:
 
Originally posted by wikipedia wikipedia wrote:

A drug is any substance that can be used to modify a chemical process or processes in the body, for example to treat an illness, relieve a symptom, enhance a performance or ability, or to alter states of mind. The word "drug" is etymologically derived from the Dutch/Low German word "droog", which means "dry", since in the past, most drugs were dried plant parts.

Now I'm not going to call that the outright truth, since it's quoted from wiki, but the etymology is quite telling, assuming it's correct.

 

http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry_main/50070232?query_type =word&queryword=drug&first=1&max_to_show=10& sort_type=alpha&search_id=I8yh-HkudFf-1942&result_pl ace=1&case_id=I8yh-jvrbbJ-1946&hilite=50070232  also agrees on the first bit, although it doesn't mention any etymology.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 14:21

 we weren't discussing hashish. we were discussing marijuana, aka the herb.

Etymology: Middle English herbe, from Old French, from Latin herba

..if that's important somehow.


Main Entry: herb
Pronunciation: '&rb, US also and British usually 'h&rb
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
1 : a seed-producing annual, biennial, or perennial that does not develop persistent woody tissue but dies down at the end of a growing season
2 : a plant or plant part valued for its medicinal, savory, or aromatic qualities
3 slang : MARIJUANA 2
- herb·like /'(h)&r-"blIk/ adjective
- herby /'(h)&r-bE/ adjective

 i'm breaking from the topic after this. it's a ridiculous subject to begin with.

 of course most of the 70's proggers were writng on various mind altering substances.

 and you know else? probably fornicating. .

 i should say, i haven't used an illegal drug in years.

it's just that the harm level doesn't match the hysteria.

as les claypool said "more people have died from eating cheese than from marijuana".

p e a c e out

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 15:14
Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

It's calling my attention that prog bands don't usually take drugs, is
that true? The only time i heard something like that was when Fish said
that Misplaced Childhood's story was created in an "acid treep"


Don't confuse current "prog" and real guenuine prog.
Virtually all bands were on acid or at least MJ, except zappa who was against "drugs", but his musicians were not...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2005 at 16:46
Originally posted by alan_pfeifer alan_pfeifer wrote:

Originally posted by fender101 fender101 wrote:

I think its great - If more bands had done drugs the music would be even better

That's got to be, in my opinion, one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard.  Look at most any band from the 80's,is the music really that much better?

Look at the beatles before and after they did drugs. The noly band that got better once they we're off drugs was aerosmith, the rest were better stoned

I want DT to start getting blazed

I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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