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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 15 2005 at 05:24 |
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Most modern rock music is recorded wholly in the digital domain. The guitar tones are modelled and plugged straight into a soundcard, the keyboard tones are modelled analogue synths, the drums are loops, the processing is all digital, the reverbs are convolution models. The vocals are pitch corrected digitally. Hardly anything recorded these days has not been slapped through half a dozen digital process to give it more 'life', 'warmth', 'bounce', 'depth'... whatever. And most of this is done inside the very PC or Mac that everyone is saying cannot reporoduce music accurately.
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The "modern" bands i listen to uses non of these effects not even guitar modeling...the old stuff is still the best stuff
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 15 2005 at 05:01 |
^ arcer:
- Check out Presto Ballet - Peace Among the Ruins. It was recorded in 2004 and they used no digital equipment whatsoever. Analog synths, analog tapes ... it sounds amazing.
- Incidentally: You say that you can't hear the difference of many "emulated" sounds compared to the original. Are you talking about listening on cheap equipment or high end?
It sounds a little odd that you say that they sound virtually identical and on the other hand that the digital version "kind of sucks".
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arcer
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Posted: September 15 2005 at 04:42 |
Fun to read all this stuff about extremely high end systrems blah blah blah blah....
I used to be a bit pure-blood about hi-fi - all concerned about valves, cabling, etc etc
lately however I have realised one important thing.
Most modern rock music is recorded wholly in the digital domain. The guitar tones are modelled and plugged straight into a soundcard, the keyboard tones are modelled analogue synths, the drums are loops, the processing is all digital, the reverbs are convolution models. The vocals are pitch corrected digitally. Hardly anything recorded these days has not been slapped through half a dozen digital process to give it more 'life', 'warmth', 'bounce', 'depth'... whatever. And most of this is done inside the very PC or Mac that everyone is saying cannot reporoduce music accurately.
Sure classical and jazz are still largely recorded using acoustic instruments across air with nothing in the way. Beyond that though, any rock music recorded in the last 10 years is a lost cause in terms of 'transparent' reproduction. There is nothing transparent about the music, it is all emulation. And to be honest I can't hear the difference.
I myself have a very old and very beloved Vox AC30, full of glorious warm tubes and 30 years of grime and grit from being lugged all over filthy bars and gig venues. The other day I was listening to some things a friend had recorded on PC using a cheap guitar and Native Instruments' new AC Box Combo from its amp simulation series. I couldn't honestly tell the difference. I certainly wouldn't be able to detect anything out of the ordinary in the context of a mix. And I am not the only one. I defy anyone to find me a rock guitar player who is only using analogue processing and a single amplifier turned up to 11. Modelling, emulation and simulation are not esoterica, they are now the standard tools of the musician's trade. I'm even beginning to see bands who have dispensed with amplification completely and have opted to use laptops, Guitar Rig and plug straight into the mixing desk. The same goes for keyboard players.
This is how modern music is made. At this very moment I'm listening to the new Eels album on my 1400 euro Dell PC fitted with an Audigy 2 ZS soundcard, hooked up to Alesis M1 Active monitors (my recording set-up) and it sounds just fine.
You can spend 10 grand on any system you want but if you're listening to modern rock music you might as well listen to it on an 800 euro pc with a soundblaster and a half decent set of speakers. It will reproduce the digital recording as well as anything in my book.

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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 14 2005 at 04:02 |
So, i'll tell you how i found it as soon as i get it.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 14 2005 at 03:57 |
Yes, i am.
The only hard band i can stand is Led zep (and not all)
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 14 2005 at 02:54 |
^ You're a little "metal-phobic", aren't you? Don't worry, it's not heavy. There are occasional outbursts of guitar, but not much more heavy than on Zappa's albums.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 14 2005 at 02:49 |
I hope it's not heavy?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 14 2005 at 02:43 |
I'm a big Mike Keneally fan ... I have most of his albums.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 14 2005 at 02:33 |
Good!
i've ordered it on Amazon, after reading the Allmusic chronicle! it sounds great!
Ho wdo you discovered it?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 14 2005 at 02:31 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Does it sounds 70's? |
How do the 70's sound like? I think that when listening to the album you would have a hard time guessing when it was recorded. Timeless, if you ask me.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 14 2005 at 02:26 |
Does it sounds 70's?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 14 2005 at 02:25 |
oliver: the album is amazing. A perfect combination of Avant-Garde Zappa inspired Jazz Fusion free style music with a big orchestra.
cobb: The foot panel is in fact all there is ... there are no speakers. The floorboard contains an amp and speaker simulation, that's what the tube is for - unlike devices like the POD XT, the Vox TobeLab really contains the same circuitry like a big tube amp, just with lower voltages and simulated speakers.
It really sounds amazing.
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cobb
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 19:06 |
Mike, no wonder you posted in another thread that you don't need
anything but your vox amp to play. You failed to mention the effects
foot panel that comes with it. Impressive looking rig.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 15:59 |
...looked the album's chronicle on Allmusic. Sounds too nice to be true. Especially for a current album.
Is it really good?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 15:38 |
You should try this one, if you like Zappa-esque music. Recorded last year with a big orchestra. Superb recording quality.

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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 15:13 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 15:07 |
I'm listening to it right now ... amazing.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 15:05 |
Yes, Inca roads i think. Exellent guitar i remember.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 15:01 |
^ must be either Inca Roads or Andy.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 14:56 |
I don't know the Zappa gold version.
"One size fits all" features a fantastic piece which reminds of "Uncle meat".
Anyway, Zappa is very impressive for sound. "Wakajawaka" and "Gran wazoo" are very impressive on vynil.
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