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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2005 at 18:22
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Hello Tony.

Were is that R from, perhaps reverend? I won't be surprised if I look at your weird comparison with murder and my explanation about the addition of Led Zeppelin...I think we have a "communication breakdown"?!

I was comparing the proposed addition of Led Zep to that of Queen;

"Two wrongs dont make a right" etc,

It was wrong to add Queen and it would be equally wrong to add Zep.

You can mock my laboured metaphor all you want but you are equally foolish if you think Led Zep are a prog band.

And no,I dont even believe it is OK to suggest them,just to "test the water"

Enough of this buffonery.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2005 at 18:38
Originally posted by Kubla Khan Kubla Khan wrote:

Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Hello Tony.

Were is that R from, perhaps reverend? I won't be surprised if I look at your weird comparison with murder and my explanation about the addition of Led Zeppelin...I think we have a "communication breakdown"?!





HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


WHITOUT `ZEPPELIN MANY OF OUR BELOVED PROG BANDS MAY NEVER HAVE BORN.

I'm trying to think of a prog band that wouldn't exist without Zep!............................

 

 

 

 

.............no, I can't think of any!..................Rush maybe?.........Nah!
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Points: 75 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2005 at 21:48
snow dog :

the first albums of rush sound like zeppelin....
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2005 at 21:55

Originally posted by Squifurgie Squifurgie wrote:

but Zeppelin's later stuff is definetely progressive, like No Quarter and Achilles Last Stand, even Stairway is progressive.

they should be in the archives.

So....a band that made,according to you,3 progressive songs out of 8 studio albums deserves inclusion on a progressive rock website?

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Points: 1068 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2005 at 23:26

Originally posted by Kubla Khan Kubla Khan wrote:

snow dog :

the first albums of rush sound like zeppelin....

Then they got Neil Peart and took a complete 180, their first album wasn't prog.
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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Squifurgie Squifurgie wrote:

but Zeppelin's later stuff is definetely progressive, like No Quarter and Achilles Last Stand, even Stairway is progressive.

they should be in the archives.

So....a band that made,according to you,3 progressive songs out of 8 studio albums deserves inclusion on a progressive rock website?

BS

Actually I always thought about Led Zeppelin as a progressive band, at least in the early 90's when I first got into Dream Theater and didn't know about the 70's prog bands except Pink Floyd.

I listened to Dream Theater and thought "very nice - they're taking the signature changes and weird song structure concepts of Led Zeppelin one step further".

Surely I lacked context back then, but there's a progressive element in Led Zep that Deep Purple are missing, so they're definitively PROG RELATED.

And let us not forget Mike Portnoy's secret Project "Hammer" (or something like that) who play Led Zeppelin songs just like Yellow Matter Custard play Beatles songs.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 04:22
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Squifurgie Squifurgie wrote:

but Zeppelin's later stuff is definetely progressive, like No Quarter and Achilles Last Stand, even Stairway is progressive.

they should be in the archives.

So....a band that made,according to you,3 progressive songs out of 8 studio albums deserves inclusion on a progressive rock website?

BS

Actually I always thought about Led Zeppelin as a progressive band, at least in the early 90's when I first got into Dream Theater and didn't know about the 70's prog bands except Pink Floyd.

I listened to Dream Theater and thought "very nice - they're taking the signature changes and weird song structure concepts of Led Zeppelin one step further".

Surely I lacked context back then, but there's a progressive element in Led Zep that Deep Purple are missing, so they're definitively PROG RELATED.

And let us not forget Mike Portnoy's secret Project "Hammer" (or something like that) who play Led Zeppelin songs just like Yellow Matter Custard play Beatles songs.

All this is highly dubious and are you saying that Portnoy only plays prog stuff?
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 04:26

Originally posted by Kubla Khan Kubla Khan wrote:

snow dog :

the first albums of rush sound like zeppelin....

Yes, the first album has some basic Zep influences, and then they developed into a prog band. But at best they onle sounded like "Heavy Rock" Zep, not so called "Prog" Zep! I think therefore Rush could easily have existed without them.

You mentioned "many" bands, who else you got?
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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:02

^ Snow Dog:

I didn't say that Led Zeppelin are prog at all ... but songs like The Crunge are, undoubtedly, progressive.

 



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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 08:50
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Squifurgie Squifurgie wrote:

but Zeppelin's later stuff is definetely progressive, like No Quarter and Achilles Last Stand, even Stairway is progressive.

they should be in the archives.

So....a band that made,according to you,3 progressive songs out of 8 studio albums deserves inclusion on a progressive rock website?

BS

Actually I always thought about Led Zeppelin as a progressive band, at least in the early 90's when I first got into Dream Theater and didn't know about the 70's prog bands except Pink Floyd.

I listened to Dream Theater and thought "very nice - they're taking the signature changes and weird song structure concepts of Led Zeppelin one step further".

Surely I lacked context back then, but there's a progressive element in Led Zep that Deep Purple are missing, so they're definitively PROG RELATED.

And let us not forget Mike Portnoy's secret Project "Hammer" (or something like that) who play Led Zeppelin songs just like Yellow Matter Custard play Beatles songs.

MP's Zeppelin cover band was called Kashmir


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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 08:54

^ Maybe we're both wrong:

http://www.dreamtheater.net/archive_portnoy.php?y=2003#hogny c

Apparently the band I'm referring to is called "Hammer of the Gods". Maybe Kashmir was an earlier name or a completely different project?
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 10:23
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Maybe we're both wrong:

http://www.dreamtheater.net/archive_portnoy.php?y=2003#hogny c

Apparently the band I'm referring to is called "Hammer of the Gods". Maybe Kashmir was an earlier name or a completely different project?

Whatever the name, Portnoy is allowed to play non prog music too!
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 10:26
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Maybe we're both wrong:

http://www.dreamtheater.net/archive_portnoy.php?y=2003#hogny c

Apparently the band I'm referring to is called "Hammer of the Gods". Maybe Kashmir was an earlier name or a completely different project?

Sorry Mike,my mistake.I could have sworn his Zeppelin cover band was called Kashmir.

I stand corrected


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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 10:31

TheProgtologist: no problem, "hammer" was not completely correct either.

Snow Dog: Of course Portnoy also plays non prog - I just mentioned his connection to Led Zeppelin as a further sign that Led Zeppelin are related to prog. They influenced a lot of Prog Metal bands, and some of their songs show signs of prog.
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:17
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

TheProgtologist: no problem, "hammer" was not completely correct either.

Snow Dog: Of course Portnoy also plays non prog - I just mentioned his connection to Led Zeppelin as a further sign that Led Zeppelin are related to prog. They influenced a lot of Prog Metal bands, and some of their songs show signs of prog.

Yes Mike,but they weren't consistently progressive.They weren't and aren't a prog band.I think for a band to be added to this site they should have a firm body of progressive work,not just a few songs scattered over the course of 8 studio albums.

And please don't throw Queen at me,that addition was BS and the addition of Deep Purple is BS too.

I know members of these bands inspired some prog musicians,but I bet if you took 100 metal musicians and 100 prog musicians and asked them to cite influences that way more of the metalheads would cite Zep as an influence.


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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:23

I guess I'm a little more lenient than you - I still support Queen because of Queen II and Sheer Heart Attack. But I know what you mean. I would not have added Queen, it's simply not necessary to have them in the archives.

BTW: According to one of our collaborators Deep Purple are more progressive than Devin Townsend ... it's really difficult to talk about specific bands being prog or not when the persons involved in the discussion have that different opinions on prog as a whole. I mean, there really isn't any basis for a meaningful discussion.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I guess I'm a little more lenient than you - I still support Queen because of Queen II and Sheer Heart Attack. But I know what you mean. I would not have added Queen, it's simply not necessary to have them in the archives.

BTW: According to one of our collaborators Deep Purple are more progressive than Devin Townsend ... it's really difficult to talk about specific bands being prog or not when the persons involved in the discussion have that different opinions on prog as a whole. I mean, there really isn't any basis for a meaningful discussion.

I understand Mike,and it might seem like I am trying to argue with you,but I'm not,my friend.

I just think some of the bands people want included on a prog website are ridiculous

Perfect example:

Soundgarden......WTF


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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:28
Do you know Down on the Upside? It's a pretty cool album, and many of the songs are quite complex. IMO it's their best album. I can understand why someone might think it's prog ... but as I said earlier in this thread - it's not enough.
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:33

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Do you know Down on the Upside? It's a pretty cool album, and many of the songs are quite complex. IMO it's their best album. I can understand why someone might think it's prog ... but as I said earlier in this thread - it's not enough.

Oh yeah,I love Soundgarden.

Badmotorfinger,Superunknown,Down on the Upside are GREAT albums.

Chris Cornell has a vocal range that most singers would kill for.

Just not prog,even though I agree with you that DotU is a complex album.

Personally my favorite is Badmotorfinger.



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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2005 at 13:37

Yes, Badmotorfinger is cool. Rusty Cage was my first contact with soundgarden (saw the video on MTV).

It's too bad that Chris didn't continue what he started with Euphoria Morning and founded Audioslave instead ...
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