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fuqxit
Forum Newbie Joined: November 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 15 |
Posted: October 18 2005 at 00:21 |
The top rated albums should not be restricted by "sub-genre". Some people are actually capable of appreciating different styles and moods of music and don't need every album to sound like Dream Theater. I like one Dream Theater song (instrumental)! If 75% of the people who like "Frances the Mute" also like "The Lamb...", or "Soft Machine 3", or "801 Live", or "Maxophone", I think it is more important than pointing someone toward some arbitrary "genre"-specific sub-catagory that is meaningless.
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tuxon
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502 |
Posted: October 17 2005 at 17:50 |
Apparently the system changed to display the top 12 albums per subgenre, if that's the case it is pretty useless for that list is easily accesible through the top 100 per subgenre list, and a top 25 is given in the subgenre description.
Can you please change it back M@X, and perhaps add a link to the subgenre description and top albums per genre. I liked the former thingie better, for that included sometimes the more obscure gems |
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S Lang
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 01 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 441 |
Posted: October 09 2005 at 07:04 |
The selections add some confusion. If I correctly understand the algorhythm, it refers to albums reviewed by the person posting a review, not to albums ENDORSED? A review can be positive, or less kind. I'd hate to be seen as one "supposedly" endorsing an album that I've just knocked down, by seeing that I am "also listening - or whatever" to that piece. I'd rather prefer the description as: " THE ABOVE ALBUMS WERE ALSO REVIEWED BY THE CONTRIBUTOR(S)", or the like. That would prevent a misunderstanding seen as endorsement. |
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M@X
Forum & Site Admin Group Co-founder, Admin & Webmaster Joined: January 29 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4028 |
Posted: October 06 2005 at 09:30 |
manually selecting over 9000 albums is quite a job guys ?
any way I droped to 12 the numbers of TOP ALBUM OF THE GENRE thanks |
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Ironil
Forum Newbie Joined: September 16 2005 Location: Spain Status: Offline Points: 3 |
Posted: October 05 2005 at 17:47 |
Hi to all...
I'm with Joren when he proposes to manually select some interesting albums. This way, we won't get albums we liked from other genres. Of course, each of us has to be consequent and only write similar albums in style and less important, in rating. I say less important in rating because each of us have different tastes, so better to give others the opportunity to hear an album and rate it for themselves. With time, there'll be a great database of truly similar albums, instead of just albums of the same genre (yes, perhaps we can find a similar album in another genre... Let's prog surprise us all!) |
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ZowieZiggy
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 19 2005 Location: Siem Reap Status: Offline Points: 311 |
Posted: October 05 2005 at 14:34 |
I think that the previous system (showing up to 8 albums) was sufficient to give a good idea to compare. 20 is just too much.
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Joren
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
Posted: September 19 2005 at 17:52 |
Yeah, but the problem is that the algorythm will THEN advice "Close To The Edge" (and the other classics) on EVERY album page...
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tired_time
Forum Newbie Joined: September 07 2005 Status: Offline Points: 10 |
Posted: September 18 2005 at 06:48 |
i think that those albums should be not necessarily from same genre.
Bands from different genres can have more similaritys than those wich
contains in same one. I mean i think there are more people who likes
Jethro Tull and ELP than those who likes JT and The Strawbs.
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21133 |
Posted: September 12 2005 at 12:02 |
That's perfectly ok ... the database is suggesting Sea Shanties because you gave both albums 5 stars. It doesn't say that they're similar, just that some people liked them both. Generally, such a feature's usefulness depends on how many database entries it can use ... |
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BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Posted: September 12 2005 at 11:56 |
well, when one looks at the entry for Nik Turner's Sphynx album
"Xitintoday", one gets the message "prog fans who liked this album also
like" with a link to "Sea Shanties" by High Tide. though it is
certainly true I love both albums (I gave both of them 5 stars in my
review), they have NOTHING whatever in common at all (except that they
are both prog). "Xitintoday" is a very quiet, almost meditative album,
while "Sea Shanties" is an absolute rocker and in my opinion the by far
heaviest album of 1969. so this feature can be VERY misleading
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Eetu Pellonpaa
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 17 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 4828 |
Posted: August 22 2005 at 07:22 |
^ Good idea! |
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Joren
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
Posted: August 18 2005 at 17:09 |
Maybe there could be a way for us to give suggestions ourselves, instead of having it done automatically. Like, when you rate an album, you also select one or more albums that you suggest to people who like this album. What do you think?
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Dick Heath
Special Collaborator Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12812 |
Posted: August 18 2005 at 12:39 |
[Danbo Quote]: Today I wrote a review on The Underground Railroad's "The Origin of Consciousness." The following came up. I'm don't completely agree with those choices. Furthermore, in the review text, I listed a few bands that I would suggest, such as; Echolyn, Finneus Gauge, Frogg Cafe, Thieves Kitchen and others. Are we only suggesting these other albums because they have the same "star rating" or because the bands play a similar style of progressive rock? [Unquote]
I'm with you Danbo, especially when Bill Pohl and Kurt of UR cite themselves, Caravan, and Pohl has a lot of Holdsworthian licks in him. Maybe the more astude and willing reviewer should be responsible to flag up "if you like this band, then you may care to try........". In that way the occasional band/album not included in the Archives can be recommended. (e.g. T2 for at least one Landberk album - and I have to add, another Landberk album I have sounds like a U2 clone....) I just noticed with my review of Holdsworth/Beck's Thing You see, (completed yesterday), there are 8 albums suggested as secondary listening materials - in some strange ways many of these are in about the right ballpark although not the probable titles I would have picked. And I aware David Cross is having a helluva of time getting Closer Than Skin distributed.
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Joren
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
Posted: August 02 2005 at 14:12 |
Good point! I had the same thing (and a 2star album is not one I really like). Can this be changed Max?
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Eetu Pellonpaa
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 17 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 4828 |
Posted: August 01 2005 at 14:39 |
I also noticed something, when I reviewed an album which had no previous ratings. The browser then showed "The person who liked this, likes also...", and ofcourse with titles I had done in the past. There were several which had got only one or two star rating from me... Could it be possible, that this feature would promote only albums of four and five stars? It's a very good idea still, I have found many nice albums through it! Some were ofcourse dissapointments. |
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greenback
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 14 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3300 |
Posted: July 30 2005 at 21:18 |
i noticed the list changes with the additional reviews of new reviewers, and also if you rate high an album of a completely new band in your database of the same genre! so, variety is the key word, guys!
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Bilek
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: July 05 2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 1484 |
Posted: July 28 2005 at 05:46 |
I really don't have much to suggest, but to point out another problem: as you know, some bands' works are scattered around many sub-genres of prog rock, Tangerine Dream, Peter Gabriel, King Crimson, Kraftwerk to name a few... You can even divide TD's '70-'80 period into the number of albums released (minus Rubycon, essentially a Phaedra clone). With so much diversity, it doesn't work most of the time.. For instance, Cyclone and Force Majeure albums are symphonic prog albums, very diverse from the previous ambient conic soundscapes... Recommending a mainstream electronic album, such as Vangelis' Spiral, JMJarre's Magnetic Fields, and even trance-ambient works such as Klaus Schulze's Timewind in these albums' review pages is rahter weird... (not to mention those Kraftwerk works, who, according to TD official site "...is more or less representive of the opposite way to use electronic instruments.") So, I really could not recommend a solution, but point out to a problem to work upon! The rest is up to you! progressively yours |
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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Dan Bobrowski
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 02 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5243 |
Posted: July 15 2005 at 17:52 |
I finally figured out how this works, and frankly, it doesn't represent what I would suggest. Yesterday I wrote a review of Steve Unruh's "Song to the Sky" and the BETA feature showed Guy Manning. This time it worked ads I would expect. Today I wrote a review on The Underground Railroad's "The Origin of Consciousness." The following came up. I'm don't completely agree with those choices. Furthermore, in the review text, I listed a few bands that I would suggest, such as; Echolyn, Finneus Gauge, Frogg Cafe, Thieves Kitchen and others. Are we only suiggesting these other albums because they have the same "star rating" or because the bands play a similar style of progressive rock? BETA Prog fans who like THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD The Origin of Consciousness also like these other bands' albums in the same genre:
Personally, I would prefer being able to go in and manually add the bands I think would be appealing to fans of the band I wrote the review about.
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pero
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 11 2005 Location: Croatia Status: Offline Points: 1242 |
Posted: July 15 2005 at 03:18 |
Hi M@x, Exellent choice of albums, exept in a court of crimson king. There is a better albums of King Crimson |
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tuxon
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502 |
Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:50 |
I don't understand the problem here. The listed albums are just extra information that needs carefull interpretation. If I read reviews for an unknown album. I like some extra information on the reviewers taste, and this feature does exactly that, since the mentioned albums are mostly the better known albums within the genre, the chances are good I know the mentioned albums, and that tells me something (though not everything) about the album. Some more obscure albums, will have few ratings and reviews, that has a negative effect on the apropriatness of the mentioned albums, but as more people review the albums, a more cohesive list will appear, since most people do have a fairly specific taste in music. Basically all information you get, can be used, all you have to do is interpret the given data as what it is. Don't know if it makes sense, but I did the best I could. |
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