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jiggajake 
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 Posted: September 10 2005 at 10:31 |
i agree, the artists dont see it all, AND we're not talking about everyone as a whole, we're talking about the individual, just because they outlawed stealing, doesnt mean there arent going to be people that steal whether you think its right or not, if im against downloading, then im against downloading, its not oging to stop a huge group of people from doing it, so as an individual it doesnt make much of a difference.
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samhob
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 10:31 |
Theres a lot of albums i own in mp3 only , i usually buy records but there a lot of things i can't find in my place ... So emule is sometimes the solution for me...
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gabbel ratchett
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 10:32 |
Well, when you buy a CD from an indie band off of their website who do you think gets the money? I'm not talking about King Crimson or Yes or Rush. Lesser known bands that many of you like depend on fan support to keep prog'in on. If anything, you should buy multiple copies of their CD's and give them to all you friends for birthdays or christmas.
Some of you may be musicians, some of you may get into a band, some of your bands may work hard enough and invest enough money to make an album and put out a CD. At that point you'll want to sell the cd's, then you'll understand.
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dead things don't talk too well, they've got a shaky sense of diction.
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jiggajake
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 10:39 |
ok, well in that case gabbel, i promise to only download well known people that my downloading will not really affect
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Odysseus
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 10:48 |
I agree with almost everyone here + I download lots of files every month, because I think it's a cheaper and faster way to discover new bands, or to get a preview of "that new release" you've been pondering whether it might suck or not.
Although I must add... nothing beats the thrill of listening thoroughly for the first time to a prog album, and actually falling in love at "first-hearing". 
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 10:50 |
 samhob wrote:
Theres a lot of albums i own in mp3 only , i usually buy records but there a lot of things i can't find in my place ... So emule is sometimes the solution for me...
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You don't OWN these mp3s, you didn't pay for them.
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horza
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Joined: August 31 2005
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 10:58 |
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I use Limewire but i will try out Soulseek. I don't want to deprive musicians of money but i find record companies stance on all this a bit hypocritical.Sony,for example,sell/sold the walkman in all its guises.What were we meant to be recording??Spoken word?? I'm sorry but I refuse to accept that dabbling in P2P to make informed choices re a band i don't really know,thats not bad is it?? I also like to own original CD's for the liner notes etc etc so i still buy original product.
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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gabbel ratchett
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 10:58 |
It's one thing to download mp3's that bands put up for people to check them out. It's a completely different matter to take files that others have posted and share them for free with the rest of the world.
Just realize that your actions will have reactions, and you might not like what happens down the road.
If you really love prog, you'll support it, help it to thrive, musicians need money. When musicians don't get money they become waiters, landscapers, used car salesmen. Anybody wanna buy the new DVD of Arthur Brown painting the side of a house?
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dead things don't talk too well, they've got a shaky sense of diction.
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MoodsWings
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Joined: September 04 2005
Location: Canada
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:00 |
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I download to discover new
music/artists. Once I like what I hear I usually puchase the cds and
then get rid of the downloads. It's a form of research.
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jiggajake
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:05 |
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i buy cds, but i also download, because being aschoolboy i dont have the money to f**king fuel the amount of music i listen to, if you care to buy them for me so i wont download then be my guest, prog is supported through concerts and other merchandise as well as cds. If you want to put yourself on a level above us "criminals", then thats all you.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:08 |
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"I don't have the money so it's ok to steal them". It's sad that this attitude is so common among young people (those who grew up with the internet).
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horza
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Joined: August 31 2005
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:09 |
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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gabbel ratchett
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:11 |
jiggajake wrote:
i buy cds, but i also download, because being aschoolboy i dont have the money to f**king fuel the amount of music i listen to, if you care to buy them for me so i wont download then be my guest, prog is supported through concerts and other merchandise as well as cds. If you want to put yourself on a level above us "criminals", then thats all you. |
Get a JOB.
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dead things don't talk too well, they've got a shaky sense of diction.
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jiggajake
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:13 |
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i have one man, its called car payments, music isnt the thing that drives my life, i have a lot of sh*t i have to pay for, but i work for my money. And to be honest, usually the CD's i download that i really like i'll buy, if not i probably wouldnt have bought it anyway, so its not costing them money cause i owuldnt have bought it anyway
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Syndromet
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Location: Norway
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:17 |
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I am also a starving student, witch mean I cant afford buying all the recoeds I want. I therefore use the opertunity to download and listen to music before I buy it. There is also a lot of music that I listen to ocationaly, but dont like good enough to spend money on. I think it is ok to download music as long as you suport the artists you think deserve it by buying their records.
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 It is said to be the first Test-pressing of the corean release??
http://www.freewebs.com/ligyrophobia/
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BePinkTheater
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Joined: September 01 2005
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:17 |
I would say 70% of the bands i listen to, i litsen to because of downloading. And then i buy merchendise, go to concerts( if their still alive) and buy cds and dvds.
I did the math one time to figure out how much money was spent by me directly, or inderectly( i told freinds and such) on dream theater stuff. Its over $600! so they cannot complain that i have downloaded half of their catalouge, cause if i didnt do that, they would have non of that money.
Bands, well at least good bands, are making more money because of downloading, as i just previously showed you.
so donwload away!
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
-Stone Beard
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horza
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:20 |
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What about the music you bought and did'nt like? The internet allows us to make informed choices.How can it be theft? Its an mp3 file and some of these mp3 file persuaded me to be a consumer of a new band (Opeth)!!!
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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James Lee
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:28 |
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filesharing is to many people what radio was in the 60s/ 70s. If we were hearing good music anywhere
else, it wouldn't be so tempting. I rely on it, and friends'
recommendations, to decide on almost all of my music purchases. Sure,
it's abused...no argument. But unless an album turns out to be
completely crap (or crap except for the one song that's being pushed),
I always eventually buy it.
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chopper
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:40 |
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I don't agree with illegal downloading and file sharing. Bands like
Pendragon are struggling to survive and if everyone downloaded their
CDs for free, they would probably have to give up.
Having said that, I can't see any other way for them to get their music
heard, as they're not likely to get played on mainstream radio. I
confess to having downloaded music from bands like this, but once I
know if I like a band or not, I will buy their CDs.
This is a difficult question and there are no easy answers.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:43 |
Trouserpress wrote:
sonic_assassin wrote:
My fav P2P is WinMX, btw.
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Try Soulseek. It's about 10000% better than Win MX.
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Huh, WinMX is absolutely free though!
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