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dmille
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 09:03 |
Proglover wrote:
Ummm.....actually, Led Zeppelin was more of a heavy BLUES BAND |
I guess it is easy to just re-write history and make up a genre.
Proglover wrote:
....and Queen certainly fit into more categories than just GLAM ROCK. In fact to my understanding glam rock was a term used to describe the flash, and flamboyant way bands presented themselves on stage. The term had little to do with the style of music. What other glam rock band do you you know that played vaudeville music and combined classical elements to rock? I certainly can't think of any...........So before we DROP IT, as you suggest, perhaps you should get your facts straight. |
You can't think of any because you don't know the full scope of the careers of Roxy Music and David Bowie.
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why do we never get an answer when we're knocking at the door?
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: September 09 2005 at 16:22 |
I fully support the addition of Led Zeppelin to the Prog Archives site and in my opinion it will be a tribute to the true progressive rock movement, despite some cynical, venomous and mutinous statements! If you have made compositions like The battle of evermore, Stairway to heaven, The rain song, No Quarter and Kashmir, Led Zeppelin should be added immediately ... is my 'humble opinion'!
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richardh
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Posted: September 09 2005 at 15:59 |
The beginning of the end as I predicted .Letting Queen is was a bad idea as people would then use it to justify getting all sorts of other non prog bands in.
Queen
Led Zeppelin
The Who
Iron Maiden
Black Sabbath
YOU MUST BE JOKING
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Proglover
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Posted: September 09 2005 at 15:35 |
Kubla Khan wrote:
what are the technical requirements to be a band in the prog archives?
led zeeppelin was always progressing from album to album , mixing different stiles of music like rock, country , folk , blues , funk ,ethnic ,etc.
zep`s musicians are a great inspiration for many comtemporary prog musicians (like m.portnoy)
in zep`s compositionthere are key changes, polyrythm paterns and "unnusual"time signatures in many of his songs . instruments like mellotron and mandolina in many of his songs.
here , i think, i this page , there is a prejudice against the rock bands.
there are great albums in the career of zepellin and great songs too.
I recomend "Phisical graffitti" and "the houses of the holy" to begin.
in the album presence yo can find a great epic song: "achilles last stand".
...and queen..is a nice band, but i think that they are closer to POP music than prog music.
led zeppelin is a "must have" to the prog archives.
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In the 70s....QUEEN WAS NOT POP......make an argument if you want for the 80s....BUT IN THE 70s...QUEEN WAS NOT POP.....PERIOD!
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Kubla Khan
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Posted: September 09 2005 at 10:18 |
what are the technical requirements to be a band in the prog archives?
led zeeppelin was always progressing from album to album , mixing different stiles of music like rock, country , folk , blues , funk ,ethnic ,etc.
zep`s musicians are a great inspiration for many comtemporary prog musicians (like m.portnoy)
in zep`s compositionthere are key changes, polyrythm paterns and "unnusual"time signatures in many of his songs . instruments like mellotron and mandolina in many of his songs.
here , i think, i this page , there is a prejudice against the rock bands.
there are great albums in the career of zepellin and great songs too.
I recomend "Phisical graffitti" and "the houses of the holy" to begin.
in the album presence yo can find a great epic song: "achilles last stand".
...and queen..is a nice band, but i think that they are closer to POP music than prog music.
led zeppelin is a "must have" to the prog archives.
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Wolf Spider
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Posted: September 09 2005 at 04:12 |
Adding LZ will be the begining of the end for this wonderful site
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Damen
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Posted: September 08 2005 at 10:36 |
Led Zeppelin isn't prog! Are you people braindead?? Christ!
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Zeppelina
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Posted: September 08 2005 at 06:53 |
i dont think you can classify led zeppelin as a rogressive rock band.
they were very innovative and liked to include various genres into their music and experiement with sounds and styles...
the only progressive-ish tune i can think of right now is "no quater"
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 07 2005 at 13:57 |
Led Zeppelin?
You definately wanna ruin Prog Archives or what?
If Deep Purple has a little bit of prog,LZ is DEFINATELY NOT PROG ROCK.
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Proglover
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Posted: September 07 2005 at 13:53 |
dmille wrote:
Seems like unless an early 70s band is pure pop, they are gonna get recommended as progressive.
Led Zeppelin was a heavy metal band. Queen was a glam band. Now drop it, thank you.
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Ummm.....actually, Led Zeppelin was more of a heavy BLUES BAND....and Queen certainly fit into more categories than just GLAM ROCK. In fact to my understanding glam rock was a term used to describe the flash, and flamboyant way bands presented themselves on stage. The term had little to do with the style of music. What other glam rock band do you you know that played vaudeville music and combined classical elements to rock? I certainly can't think of any...........So before we DROP IT, as you suggest, perhaps you should get your facts straight.
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dmille
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Posted: September 06 2005 at 18:34 |
Seems like unless an early 70s band is pure pop, they are gonna get recommended as progressive.
Led Zeppelin was a heavy metal band. Queen was a glam band. Now drop it, thank you.
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why do we never get an answer when we're knocking at the door?
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Proglover
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 11:38 |
Peter Pan wrote:
Proglover wrote:
Queen has always been more commercial and mainstream than Led Zappelin?????????????????
I take issue with that comment.
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I don't know how the music of both bands is heard in retrospective by young people like you. But I'm sure most people who were 18 in the year 1974 (like me) and so grew up in these times would consider Led Zeppelin as rather progressive than Queen.
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When Queen first came on the scene, people immediately compared them to Led Zeppelin......at the time Led Zeppelin was the standard so to speak. They were the biggest most popular band at the time. Led Zeppelin was certainly more mainstream then Queen.....in regards to their media mass appeal. Now as far as commercialism is concerned...I suppose that is a matter of opinion as to whose music was more commercial....I am saying that Led Zeppelin started out as a good hard blues band....their early stuff is not really that progressive, however they did get more progressive as their career went on. Queen on the other hand started out very adventurous, with the albums Queen and Queen II, and continued their prog influences up to A Day At The Races. Queen were immediately bashed, and ridiculed by the music press, simply for NOT BEING LED ZEPPELIN. Queen did get more commercial as their career continued, but hey lets face it so did Zeppelin. Queen also outlasted Zeppelin, because of the death of John Bonham. If I was in the band Queen, and I was trying to make a career as a musician and I had to stare into the immense planet that was Led Zeppelin's popularity, and everything I did was compared to Zeppelin, and I had to fight to make a real identity for myself, and inspite of all that people stilled said that we were more commercial and mainstream than Zeppelin, I would be pissed off.
In my humble opinion, Queen was more inventive and more creative than Led Zeppelin. I do like Zeppelin, infact I highly regard them as being a great band....But I prefer Queen.
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Peter Pan
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 02:24 |
Proglover wrote:
Queen has always been more commercial and mainstream than Led Zappelin?????????????????
I take issue with that comment. |
I don't know how the music of both bands is heard in retrospective by
young people like you. But I'm sure most people who were 18 in the year
1974 (like me) and so grew up in these times would consider Led
Zeppelin as rather progressive than Queen.
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Proglover
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Posted: August 16 2005 at 18:52 |
Peter Pan wrote:
It's a matter of taste and opinion to add Led Zeppelin. But IMO there are no real arguments to exclude them if you include Queen and even Styx as I saw today. Queen was always more commercial and mainstream than Led Zeppelin.
I have a problem with all that metal too in the progarchives as I wrote before. I must confess I listened only to one mp3 of Dream Theatre. But it was on top of the list here. I couldn't see or better: hear anything progressive in it.
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Queen has always been more commercial and mainstream than Led Zappelin?????????????????
I take issue with that comment.
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Bj-1
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Posted: August 16 2005 at 17:05 |
I would say that maybe Iron Maiden could be added to the archives. Many of their albums is quite progressive, especially Powerslave and 7th Son.
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Peter Pan
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Posted: August 16 2005 at 16:46 |
It's a matter of taste and opinion to add Led Zeppelin. But IMO there are no real arguments to exclude them if you include Queen and even Styx as I saw today. Queen was always more commercial and mainstream than Led Zeppelin.
I have a problem with all that metal too in the progarchives as I wrote before. I must confess I listened only to one mp3 of Dream Theatre. But it was on top of the list here. I couldn't see or better: hear anything progressive in it.
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Squifurgie
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Posted: August 15 2005 at 13:45 |
but Zeppelin's later stuff is definetely progressive, like No Quarter and Achilles Last Stand, even Stairway is progressive.
they should be in the archives.
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 06:09 |
I don't think Led Zeppelin is progressive rock...I haven't listened too
much in my life to Led Zeppelin,not really my favourites,but as much as
I've it is not progressive.Now I know that because Queen was added,you
want everybody else to enter and be part of this particular genre
website,but let's not push that far the limits...
So,im my opinion,Led Zeppelin is not fitting into progressive rock.
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goose
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 06:05 |
DavidInsabella wrote:
SHUT UP!!!
And no, Led Zeppelin is not more progressive than Queen. Queen is pushing in, Led Zeppelin is tearing it!
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Squifurgie
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 02:35 |
I say add Zeppelin, they weren't progressive at first, but started to
turn progressive at about Zeppelin IV, they are as progressive as Queen
in my opinion.
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