Men only?

Ricochet wrote: fandango wrote: maani wrote: gdub: In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines.  Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups. Peace. if the facts of the matter are made plain to him, and he in time demonstrates some form of contrition, would you agree that he should be given a second opportunity, now he realises that the site isn't a free-for-all?  After all, Flowerchild was given a second chance, against the better judgement of most site users..and his behaviour was significantly more unpleasant.. What guarantee do we have?I don't think a gesture of ban can change a person's mentality,especially Luke's...

I can completely understand what you are saying Riccy, because I know he has bated you more than anyone else, but I believe that everyone's entitled to a second chance, once the facts have been spelt out to him...if he abuses the second chance, then he's a fool.

To be honest, I had a talking to (or, you could say a writing to...) about something wholly inappropriate I did, a couple of months ago, but I didn't get booted out, and am grateful...

Ricochet wrote: And to correct something he said,I did not start this argument,he did by calling men smarter...

Of course the situation would not have escalated like that if noone had replied to this foolish statement ... but "don't feed the troll" is a rule that's easy to forget.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: I agree with maani: Prog is too intellectual for women. Not that they wouldn't be capable of composing prog music, but they don#t seem to be interested in it. Think about it: How many female prog COMPOSERS do you know?

somehow I think it comes down to behaviour patterns rather than intellect...for instance, blokes are generally better at reading maps/ storing useless info/ insistant on putting their Cds into order/ taking an interest in traction & railway engines etc, etc...prog can be highly technical first, then emotional second...

Bob Greece wrote: maani wrote: However, if Hogarth is correct in any way, and men take to prog more than women, it may not be a matter of "smarter," but rather that women tend to be more in touch with "emotion" while men tend to be more "intellectual" - overall.  Thus, music like prog - which has its "emotional" side but is still largely "intellectual" is nature - will necessarily appeal more to men, while women will be more drawn to music that has a more prevalent "emotional" value. You're right that women seem to be more in touch with emotions. As to men being more intellectual, the postings on this thread indicate the opposite. I was thinking that a few women prog fans would give an answer in this thread but it seems that there aren't any here!

Here I am.... even though the path the discussion took right from the beginning sort of put me off for a while. BTW, I really think it all comes down to individuals rather than gender. Maybe I'm more the intellectual type, but I've always hated with a passion the kind of music women are usually supposed to like - while my brother, for instance, quite likes conventional pop music and would die at a Yes gig!

Then again, I don't really think prog is not emotional. It is just a different way of conveying emotion. I don't dislike love songs as a rule, but they have to be somehow 'different' from run-of-the-mill chart stuff. To make an example, I love Greg Lake's ballads but I hate Phil Collins' poppier songs on SEbtP and W&W - maybe because Collins' voice reminds me of his later, hideous chart hits, while Lake's has a proggier quality.

gdub:

For the record, the policy of the site is "two strikes, you're out"; i.e., you get one warning, and if your behavior, "approach" or attitude don't change, you get ejected.  This policy has been very effective in preventing the site from "gathering trolls," and maintaining at least some semblance of reasonable discourse.

As an aside, of the half dozen or so members who were ejected and then "given a second chance," five had to be re-ejected within 48 hours; only one actually "changed his tune."  (And no, I'm not telling you who...).

Yes, it is true that many others - including yourself - often "toe the line," sometimes precariously.  However, the admin team measures all behavior of the member, not just one or two comments.  Thus, while you - and, yes, others - may "cross the line" on occasion, that is weighed against your general approach and demeanor, which, as far as I have seen, may be occasionally "combative," but still well within the site guidelines.  With Luke, he was consistently sarcastic and demeaning, and contributed little or nothing of value to this discussion - or, indeed, elsewhere.

Ricochet:

I should note that, as someone else pointed out, your comment was "out of line," and definitely didn't help the situation: "feeding the troll" is an apt metaphor.  Please try to refrain from such unnecessary baiting in the future.  Thanks.

Peace.

Yep, this "Men Only" thread went to the off-topic quite fast...

Ricochet wrote: fandango wrote: I can completely understand what you are saying Riccy, because I know he has bated you more than anyone else, but I believe that everyone's entitled to a second chance, once the facts have been spelt out to him...if he abuses the second chance, then he's a fool. To be honest, I had a talking to (or, you could say a writing to...) about something wholly inappropriate I did, a couple of months ago, but I didn't get booted out, and am grateful... Yes,I can say I was one of his main targets in debate when he said yes and I said no or vice-versa...Everyone needs a second chance...He should think over this period that he is banned and if he return to change his atitude... And to correct something he said,I did not start this argument,he did by calling men smarter...

I find myself on the opposite side of the fence from you on this one Riccy.  I've said far worse about women in many of my posts, and can only assume he meant it as a joke.  You also said that women are smarter than men.  Does that mean people should attack you for that statement?  As to who started it, I think both of you had a hand in the escalation.  I will agree that him telling you to "f off" was inappropriate.  But if everyone here who has ever made a provocative post is summarily ejected, I'm sure there would only be like five people left in this forum.  I have not read any of his other posts in other threads, but nothing in this thread seemed to warrant his removal.  And it leaves me wondering, who is next on the chopping block: me, Tony R, gdub? 

Can't we all just agree to not get along?

Oh, and I have a question for Maani.  Assuming his other posts really did warrant expulsion, was he given any warning that his conduct was violating the rules of the forum and that if he did not change his behavior he would be ejected?  Or was he just ejected without warning?  Oops.  I posted before I read all of the posts.  You do give warnings.  Fair enough.