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oliverstoned 
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 Posted: September 02 2005 at 09:01 |
[QUOTE=MikeEnRegalia] oliverstoned:
Feel free to open a thread about the various types of amps ... it's an interesting subject.
Why not
BTW: As a guitarist I have always prefered tube amps. Currently I use the Vox ToneLab SE, which simulates a tube amp + speaker environment by using a real (but slightly modified) tube.
I don't know nothing about instruments and related devices, but i've heard that tubes amps have the preference of musicians, which doesn't surprises me!
cobb:
While I think that the analog outputs of GOOD sound cards are sufficient, for the sake of this discussion I was talking about digital interfaces to rule out any possible signal degradation by bad D/A converters or electronic pollutions of the sound card circuits by the computer components.
OK. But i think that computers are a great source of electric pollution, like digital devices, btw.
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 09:09 |
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These high end soundcards for pc, usually have circuitry and/or
shielding to remove the interference from the other hardware of the pc.
As I said before my $300 DSP24 card outputed to my $200 klipsch 2.1
speaker system sounds much better than the far more expensive hifi
system in the lounge room. If I want to listen to music I sit at my
computer.
This is essentially what you are talking about. The klipsch system is
an amplified speaker set, so it would be the same as connecting it to
the amp in the lounge room
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 09:15 |
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Oliver: I love digital sound. I have vinyl records that I have been
listening to for years, that I have repurchased in digital format and
found there are sounds there that I have never heard before on my vinyl
copy (no, I don't mean remasters)
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 09:23 |
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You're free to love digital, but believe me it's less good than analog.
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 10:22 |
 MikeEnRegalia wrote:
oliverstoned:
Feel free to open a thread about the various types of amps ... it's an interesting subject. BTW: As a guitarist I have always prefered tube amps. Currently I use the Vox ToneLab SE, which simulates a tube amp + speaker environment by using a real (but slightly modified) tube.
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I think the very fact that tube amps are revered by musicians for their distinctive sounds implies their unsuitability for hi-fi use, where a distinctive sound is counterproductive to transparency. NB that statement's based on theory rather than anything else; as of now I know next to nothing about the workings of amps. And also I realise the amps are tailored differently to their functions.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 10:55 |
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Yes, facts are the contary than this theory:
(i quote myself):
"With the amp up, well implemented, you can enjoy voices, flutes, violins, trumpets, etc... with an incredible clarity, openess, softness, transparency, precense, natural, MATTER, etc... and NEUTRALITY. A good tube is not colored at all. "
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:07 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Yes, facts are the contary than this theory:
(i quote myself):
"With the amp up, well implemented, you can enjoy voices, flutes, violins, trumpets, etc... with an incredible clarity, openess, softness, transparency, precense, natural, MATTER, etc... and NEUTRALITY. A good tube is not colored at all. "
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That's OPINION, not FACT. But I don't doubt that there are very good tubes ... in fact, I love tubes.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:14 |
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It's a fact as soon as all people who listen both agree that tubes are better. Nobody can pretends the contrary as it's so obvious. This is not a matter of taste.
It's better, that's all.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:15 |
Tube amps are better than transistor amps in the highs, agreed. Can we move on now? 
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:27 |
Look at this one: Kora, excellent french amps:
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:27 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Tube amps are better than transistor amps in the highs, agreed. Can we move on now? |
Move on to what?
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:30 |
"the topic here is PC vs. top-notch CD player, both digitally connected to an amp."
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:32 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
cobb wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Edit: Please let's keep amp & speakers out of this discussion - the topic here is PC vs. top-notch CD player, both digitally connected to an amp.
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I don't get the point of your thread with this edit. Are you just asking whether you think the pc can act as the player connected to your lounge room hifi, just as well as cd player can? Sure, why not? Isn't this the whole purpose of the new media centre pc's?
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Yes - I think that I can rip my entire CD collection to my PC in a lossless format and use Winamp to listen to the songs. Provided that the soundcard is connected to a really good amp & speakers using a digital interface, the music should sound identical compared to playing it on a HiFi CD player, which is connected to the same amp via a digital cable.
oliverstoned disagrees strongly, so I'm interested about other people's opinions about this.
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Why don't you save your music as .wav files instead, is it not better than .wma lossless?
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:35 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
"the topic here is PC vs. top-notch CD player, both digitally connected to an amp.<SPAN =smText>"</SPAN> |
Nice joke!
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:54 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Why don't you save your music as .wav files instead, is it not better than .wma lossless?
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WMA Lossless is about 50% smaller, but all the information of the WAV is preserved (like a ZIP file).
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 12:18 |
Know that this little wonder smokes (on a MUSICALITY criteria)even the BEST DIGITAL SYSTEMS of the world.
NAKAMICHI 1000zxl BEST DECK EVER
Gold version
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 12:25 |
Go away. 
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 12:47 |
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There are four sources: CD, Tape, Tuner and vynil.
1 numeric and three analog.
Cd is the worst source...
Don't be a slave of marketing.
A good tape deck like the one up is a fantastic source.
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 12:51 |
oliverstoned wrote:
There are four sources: CD, Tape, Tuner and vynil.
1 numeric and three analog.
Cd is the worst source...
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It is the only source for me. Sorry, I won't buy vinyls ... that ship has sailed.
oliverstoned wrote:
Don't be a slave of marketing.
A good tape deck like the one up is a fantastic source. |
But it's ugly.
Besides ... why should I buy a tapedeck, when all I could do is copy my CD's to tape ...
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 12:54 |
You can record direct concerts from the radio for example (best source possible with vynil)...
I find it less ugly than this crappy box:
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