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Fearless

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Posted: August 26 2005 at 19:31

Snow Dog wrote:

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Zooka_Jesus wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Not mean exactly, more playful I'd say.

snow dog ummmmmmmmmmmmm your sig says you are listening to the sex pistols...why

Sounds like a hypocrite to me.

Who me? Why?

Not you, Zooka.

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Posted: August 26 2005 at 19:32

Snow Dog wrote:

Fearless wrote:

Zooka_Jesus wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Not mean exactly, more playful I'd say.

snow dog ummmmmmmmmmmmm your sig says you are listening to the sex pistols...why

Sounds like a hypocrite to me.

Who me? Why?

Because you're listening to the Sex Pistols, because you're listening to the Sex Pistols!

The Sex Pistols are not that bad, people!

people?

People!

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Posted: August 26 2005 at 19:35

Fearless wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Fearless wrote:

Zooka_Jesus wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Not mean exactly, more playful I'd say.

snow dog ummmmmmmmmmmmm your sig says you are listening to the sex pistols...why

Sounds like a hypocrite to me.

Who me? Why?

Not you, Zooka.

Oh...

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Posted: August 26 2005 at 19:53

Both SEBTP and Foxtrot (and Nursery Cryme for that matter) are 5* albums by a mile IMO.

Look at the ratings! You may not like them (and you are fully entitled to your view, however wrong it may be) but you are very much in the minority.

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Posted: August 26 2005 at 20:28

Zooka_Jesus wrote:

they are still good albums but i think they are way overrated

that's just your drop-like opinion in the sea of prog: it won't change the water level!

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Posted: August 26 2005 at 20:41

Yanns wrote:

Yay! More pointless arguing! It doesn't get any better.

Yeah, by the way Zooka, that bang your mom thing... we don't do that here. We have shreds of decency.

Shreds of deceny.. I like that.

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Posted: August 26 2005 at 20:42

Trouserpress wrote:

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whats so amazing about these albums again?

What's so bad about these albums again?

Gabriel's cringeworthy, sorry "theatrical" vocals.

Sorry I love the band, but gentle giants vocals arent stupid? news to me

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Posted: August 26 2005 at 20:48

Retrovertigo wrote:

I am on Zooka and Trouserpress' side here. Both of those albums to me are completely inconsistent and average. I know that Genesis is an influential and big name in prog, but it doesn't mean their music is brilliant. The only really good song they have to me is Firth of Fifth, that song is so cool compared to any other songs on both albums that it was probably an accident. Try to convince me that anything on these albums are amazing.

A lot of music has to do with opinion, and remember just becuase you dont like them doesnt make them any less appealing to other people. Personally other than hot rats, i think everything Frank Zappa has done is rubbish. But I dont go on every Frank Zappa thread saying. "Its not any good, prove to me that its good even though you cant becuase its opinion and ill just act like its terrible and there isnt ANYTHING you can do about it!"

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Posted: August 26 2005 at 21:50

i look so good

Gentle Gaint owns every prog band

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Posted: August 27 2005 at 00:04

Battle of Epping Forest is awesome.

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Posted: August 27 2005 at 01:42

Zargus wrote:

You need to lisen to the albums more 3 times is not enough i think i lisend like 10 times on SEBTP befor i started to like it i still dont think its the best prog album ever like everyone else on this site sems to do, but foxtort on the other hand is awsome i whuld rate em SEBTP 8/10 and Foxtrot 10/10. I also bought Nersery cryms some dayes ago and have hardly lisen to anything else since i loved the album right from the start it was much easier to get in to then the other 2 and i whuld rate it 9/10 And dont whory everybody forgets to take the pills some days

I've still never met a prog album that i've liked immediately. it takes a few listens to get into any [good] band [worth listening to]. give it a while. let the subtleties sink in.

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Posted: August 27 2005 at 07:07

Frasse wrote:

This must be the only forum I use where people actually are mean to each other...

Wow... then you've been to some nice forums. My other main haunt is probably most notable for the frequency with which members will call one another c**ts.

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Posted: August 27 2005 at 07:09

Trouserpress wrote:

The Minstrel wrote:

Zooka_Jesus wrote:

whats so amazing about these albums again?

What's so bad about these albums again?

Gabriel's cringeworthy, sorry "theatrical" vocals.
Often uninspiring musicianship.
Sickly tweeness.
The inescapable feeling that the music has not aged AT ALL well.

And yes, I do like prog as well. If anyone's thinking of suggesting otherwise because I too can't see the appeal of Genesis, then quite simply: f**k you.

For a friend of mine- hun..you dissappoint me.

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Posted: August 27 2005 at 10:59

Foxtrot took a bit for it to sink in for me, but it is a great album.

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Posted: August 27 2005 at 11:21

Starette wrote:

Trouserpress wrote:

The Minstrel wrote:

Zooka_Jesus wrote:

whats so amazing about these albums again?

What's so bad about these albums again?

Gabriel's cringeworthy, sorry "theatrical" vocals.
Often uninspiring musicianship.
Sickly tweeness.
The inescapable feeling that the music has not aged AT ALL well.

And yes, I do like prog as well. If anyone's thinking of suggesting otherwise because I too can't see the appeal of Genesis, then quite simply: f**k you.

For a friend of mine- hun..you dissappoint me.

Sorry lass, but a few times before now I've been accused not being "a true prog fan" because I dislike Genesis. That sort of thing's really rather frustrating and I've not time for it.

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Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:02

Some people just don't like Gabriel's voice, the same with Labrie's and Fish's voice, its all about taste.

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Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:17

greenback wrote:

Zooka_Jesus wrote:

they are still good albums but i think they are way overrated

that's just your drop-like opinion in the sea of prog: it won't change the water level!

I'm sure he's aware that it's his opinion, and I don't think he ever wanted it to "change the water level," so to speak. We all state our opinions on here all the time; that's the whole point of having a forum like this. Why does everyone seem so offended by Zooka doing the same? Just because his opinion is unpopular doesn't mean he meant to be hostile by posting it, nor does it mean that it's any less valid than any other opinion that's shared around here.

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Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:22

the best rock drumming ever, IMO... amazing poetic lyrics... wonderful piano, best writing from Genesis on these 2 records... amazing counterpoint, rhythm, melodies,

and chance taking. Amazing album artwork... Next to Close to the Edge, these are my favorite Symphonic Prog records.

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Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:57

Genesis >> all neo-prog copycats, IMO.

Maybe I'm not a real avant-progger since i've enjoyed those albums approximately a month ago.

And I am always reminded of avant when I'm listening to taht song Frith of Fifth. lol

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Posted: August 27 2005 at 20:30

Mnemosyne wrote:

Trouserpress Wrote:

Gabriel's cringeworthy, sorry "theatrical" vocals.
Often uninspiring musicianship.
Sickly tweeness.
The inescapable feeling that the music has not aged AT ALL well.

And yes, I do like prog as well. If anyone's thinking of suggesting otherwise because I too can't see the appeal of Genesis, then quite simply: f**k you.

@ Trouserpress: For Avant-Proggers like you and me, Genesis will always sound uninspiring. Let's face it.

@ Everyone else (specially Genesis fans): Sorry, but IT DOES sound uninspiring and dull

Oh my god !!! Look at this guys It seem that "Avant-Proggers" and God are synonyms. It's because of people like him that many thinks proggers are snobish. Sorry Mnemosyne, but your message is completely stupid and snob.

Genesis are my favorite bands, and I love all their cd of the Gabriel era plus some of the Collins/Hackett era. I'm a musician, I listen to a lot of music, and sorry, but I found Genesis inspiring, intelligent, and very good musicianship.

I don't care you don't like them, just don't think you are right for everyone telling that they are uninspiring. This is just a question of TASTE, not a hierachy where Avanat-Proggers are on the top !

Stupid........