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Posted: August 25 2005 at 11:39 |
This album is miserable, any back up on this??? It sounds NOTHING like the first two and is MAD weak.
The only good stuff is lady of dancing water and the first 5 minutes of Lizard, which are phenominal, with Anderson.
The rest is garbage..
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 11:43 |
I love it and would take it over the first two ANY day. If you're
surprised that it sounds different to the first two... welcome to King
Crimson.  They didn't survive for over 30 years by always sounding the same.
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 11:44 |
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I think it is a brilliant album. Yet i do agree the best parts are indeed lizard opening and lady of the dancing water (that flute sends chills down my spine).
I dont think its all garbage tho. I would rate it about 8/10.
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 11:44 |
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I think it's an exquisite album, especially the epic "Lizard." I very much enjoy the added intruments like the oboe and the trombone. One of KC's best albums, in my opinion.
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And I am not frightened of dying, any time will do, I
don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying?
There's no reason for it, you've gotta go sometime.
I never said I was frightened of dying.
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 11:47 |
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Cirkus is one of my favourite KC tracks. Also, the title track is
amazing. The rest of the album is also good, even though I think Happy
Family and Indoor Games sounds a bit the same.
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 11:48 |
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I love Lizard, probably my favourite Crimson album.
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 11:49 |
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On of KC's best, probably second best, all of side one is fantastic, especially the masterpiece "Cirkus". Side Two is more iffy, but yes, Jon Anderson is great on it.
It also sports the greatest cover ever besides 'Thick as a Brick'
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 11:52 |
 TheLostChord wrote:
This album is miserable, any back up on this??? It sounds NOTHING like the first two and is MAD weak.
The only good stuff is lady of dancing water and the first 5 minutes of Lizard, which are phenominal, with Anderson.
The rest is garbage..
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I suggest you clean the wad of yours ears and hear it again (or hear it for the first time ) , because it is Crimson's apex, IMHO . So it sounds nothing like the first two albums : ITWOP was a weak copy of ITCOTCK, anyway!!!. Here, on this one they progressed!!!!
An acquired taste!!
Keep at it , soon it will be your fave!
"The battle of glass tears" is simply awesome. You can feel the cannonballs landing on your left and on the right! The Bolero is a bit weaker but it is the best Bolero done by a prog group. Much better than ELP's Abbadon.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 11:55 |
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It's a great album except for Gordon Haskell's vocals, which are beyond
dreadful. Ruinous.
How does he sound now that he's a comeback easy listening sensation in
the UK? Just curious.
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 12:15 |
Heheh...you guys know what I think of it.
Truly great especially Cirkus and Fripp's fantastic solo in Prince
Rupert's Lament. KC really gets experimental with this and the jam
parts are just great. I find to be one of their bests...right behind
Larks' Tounges.
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Can you tell me where my country lies...
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 12:18 |
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My least favourite album...
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 12:28 |
I just dont get it...I mean, I love prog, but I love songs that are structured and beautiful like moody blues songs and genesis with gabriel...like there isnt a single album with gabriel that is bad! cept maybe revelation, but that doesnt count as prog.
Lizard...ok, cirkus, what do you see in the first 3 songs? none of them cause chills down my spine, let alone raise a hair anywhere. Cirkus's chorus consists of a flat to the key of the song horn or trumbone or something, how can you like that? rehhh ohhhhnnn rehhhh ohhhhhnnn! Miserable.
Maybe i do need to listen to it more, but can someone back me up that when a PROG album is an "acquired taste" it isnt the bands best work, or even a great work. Most prog listeners can hear a song on the first listen and say "ok, thats a great song!" Lizard doesnt give any of that!
Prince rupert awakes, thats it, lady of dancing water is good but i mean, anyone couldve written it! very simple.
Please enlighten me, do you just enjoy the fact that it is different or? Better than court and poseidon? come on, what on here compares!??? Lizard should have been on poseidon or court, not on this album!
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 12:30 |
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I don't find it garbage in the least, but it's not on the same level as the first two or the three from the Bruford-Wetton era. Musically it's very good indeed, but what spoils the enjoyment for me are Haskell's vocals. Perhaps Fripp tried to get him to imitate Lake (an impossible feat for almost anyone), but to no avail. I have to admit that Anderson's vocals on Prince Rupert Awakes are like a breath of fresh air - besides being excellent in themselves.
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 12:33 |
It's the best KC album and anyone who thinks otherwise sucks.
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 13:55 |
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It's a corker, though I would have to say Lady of the Dancing Water is
the turkey, like Cadence and Cascade a desperately transparent
attempt to recreate I Talk to the Wind.
The mellotron work on this album is fantastic, Keith Tippets
contributions take the band into whole new spheres for me esp on Happy
Family and the bolero section.
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 14:06 |
A fantastic album. One of their best, IMO.
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I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 14:11 |
TheLostChord wrote:
I just dont get it...I mean, I love prog, but I love songs that are structured and beautiful like moody blues songs and genesis with gabriel...like there isnt a single album with gabriel that is bad! cept maybe revelation, but that doesnt count as prog.
Lizard...ok, cirkus, what do you see in the first 3 songs? none of them cause chills down my spine, let alone raise a hair anywhere. Cirkus's chorus consists of a flat to the key of the song horn or trumbone or something, how can you like that? rehhh ohhhhnnn rehhhh ohhhhhnnn! Miserable.
Maybe i do need to listen to it more, but can someone back me up that when a PROG album is an "acquired taste" it isnt the bands best work, or even a great work. Most prog listeners can hear a song on the first listen and say "ok, thats a great song!" Lizard doesnt give any of that!
Prince rupert awakes, thats it, lady of dancing water is good but i mean, anyone couldve written it! very simple.
Please enlighten me, do you just enjoy the fact that it is different or? Better than court and poseidon? come on, what on here compares!??? Lizard should have been on poseidon or court, not on this album!
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I believe the very opposite is the case. Albums that I find hard to get into, for me are eventually more rewarding for it. I see no reason to believe that you have to likesomething first time to make it a great album!
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 15:47 |
TheLostChord wrote:
I just dont get it...I mean, I love prog, but I love songs that are structured and beautiful like moody blues songs and genesis with gabriel...like there isnt a single album with gabriel that is bad! cept maybe revelation, but that doesnt count as prog.
Lizard...ok, cirkus, what do you see in the first 3 songs? none of them cause chills down my spine, let alone raise a hair anywhere. Cirkus's chorus consists of a flat to the key of the song horn or trumbone or something, how can you like that? rehhh ohhhhnnn rehhhh ohhhhhnnn! Miserable.
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Well, from what you say I see that you like symphonic prog and Lizard goes beyond symphonic. That's probably why you find it hard to appreciate. I am also symphonic rock fan but I don't mind more experimental approach. In fact Cirkus, Indoor Games and Happy Family are all much more interesting than Lady of the Dancing Water to me.
TheLostChord wrote:
Maybe i do need to listen to it more, but can someone back me up that when a PROG album is an "acquired taste" it isnt the bands best work, or even a great work. Most prog listeners can hear a song on the first listen and say "ok, thats a great song!" Lizard doesnt give any of that!
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I disagree. I have to admit that there is probably only one progrock album that grew on me immediately after first time I heard it. Most of my favourite recordings did absolutely nothing for me after the first listen. Prog is not the kind of music you can easily get into. Maybe Lizard is just not for you, but maybe if you gave it more time you would eventually like it.
TheLostChord wrote:
Prince rupert awakes, thats it, lady of dancing water is good but i mean, anyone couldve written it! very simple.
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Well, not very good argument. If something is simple it doesn't mean anybody could have written it. It doesn't also mean it is in any way worse than something complex.
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 15:57 |
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Cirkus also has Sinfield's best lyrics IMO
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Posted: August 25 2005 at 16:02 |
TheLostChord wrote:
This album is miserable, any back up on this??? It sounds NOTHING like the first two and is MAD weak.
The only good stuff is lady of dancing water and the first 5 minutes of Lizard, which are phenominal, with Anderson.
The rest is garbage..
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hehehhe how sad...its not garbage...its anly that you dont understand it!
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