The Beauty of Queen Lyrics

Queen never where really progressive in they're lyrics, and as Maani pointed out, that's not important really, it's the underlying music that makes a band progressive.

 

Snow Dog wrote: I have to say that I entirely agree with Maani's points!

and mine, don'you agree with that (I need a sucking up emoticon)

maani wrote: Proglover: What "warning" are you referring to?  I am completely in the dark here.. Re "lyrics are a huge part of prog rock," tell that to Tangerine Dream, Can, Gong, Soft Machine and dozens of other prog bands who don't even use lyrics.  As for the bands that do, I suppose that lyrics add to the prog quality of the compositions - but they are by no means a truly "critical" element.  Indeed, if you were to take, say, a couple of Genesis albums, a couple of Yes albums, a couple of GG albums, a couple of KC albums et al, and remove the vocal tracks entirely, you would still have brilliant prog music.  Indeed, that is one of the reasons why we all appreciate the instrumental sections of extended prog songs so much: because they focus entirely on the music, and how well it is composed, arranged, played, produced, etc. Don't get me wrong: I love most prog lyrics, from Gabriel's allegories to John Anderson's mystical writings, from Peter Sinfield's paranoia to Ian Anderson's quasi-Celtic and "rural" ramblings.  But it is simply a gross overstatement to say that lyrics are "a huge part" of prog.  They are one element, and perhaps a "fun" one, but not a "critical" one. As for "intelligence" somehow setting prog apart from "ordinary" popular music, as true as that may be in many cases, if it were true "across the board" then The Beatles would be the first band added to any prog site, since they probably brought more "intelligence" to popular music - i.e., to a vastly wider audience by sheer dint of their global fame - than any band in history. You seem to think that my disagreeing with you - or even having a different opinion based on my own knowledge and understanding - is a "personal" thing.  It is not, so please try to refrain from taking it that way.  We are having an...intelligent (hopefully ) discussion/debate.  You need not react as if I had thrown an ashtray at you... Peace.

ummm.....Gong and Can never used lyrics????.....I would check their discography again my friend. My first response to you was in jest, I was joking......Secondly...when I say that lyrics were a huge part of prog rock, that in no way means that I feel that lyrics are the Most important part of prog rock, I simply meant that lyrics are indeed integral, and they are....this ALSO, DOES NOT MEAN that I feel the instrumental music is less prog. I am a HUGE lover of instrumental music, even more so than vocal music....once again, it just means that I feel that when lyrics are used they remain a integral ingredient to the music.

And the warning that I am referring to.....oh maani, oh dear maani....is when you sent me a private message scolding me for using "bad" language on the site. I took issue with this because I constantly see people use "bad" language on this site all the time....and I wrote you back saying...."I hope that EVERYONE and ANYONE who has EVER used 'bad' language on this site gets the same warning"......

why don't you use your energie to add some of Queen's albums that still need inclusion. (greatest hits 1, 2, 3, Queen Rocks, some live albums, and some more) and focus on that instead of trying to alienate me. 

Proglover wrote: tuxon wrote: why don't you use your energie to add some of Queen's albums that still need inclusion. (greatest hits 1, 2, 3, Queen Rocks, some live albums, and some more) and focus on that instead of trying to alienate me.  I'm not trying to alienate you. I don't want to alienate anybody.

You're doing a bloody good job though!

"I dont care what you think about me..I am going to say what I want, when I want, and how I want."  Proglover

And a darn good thing, too!

You know...it seems that so many people just LOVE ME on this site ( get the hint of sarcasm)......you guys should either do one of TWO things.....learn to accept me OR Kick me off the site.

Make me King OR Crucify me.....the ball is in your court.

I use to get really hurt when I would receive nasty responses.....but now, I get a kick outta making you guys angry....and the best part is....I don't even try!!!...HAHAHA!

I wanted to be a member on this site to express myself to people who I THOUGHT would understand me...after finding no one else to indentify with my love of progressive rock, I felt that perhaps I could receive shelter in this supposed haven....yet my being on this site has been extremely uncomfortable for me, as I find that the members (not everyone of course) of this site are indeed even more closed minded, elitist, and hateful than those I've tried to escape.

SO NOW.....this becomes sport to me.....believe it or not I have always tried to be thoughful and respect of people's opinions, while still holding strong to my own. Perhaps I learned that it just is not possible to do both.....So now, once again this becomes sport to me...I no longer know the meaning of the word TACT...if you guys thought you hated me before....LOL......you ain't seen nothing yet....

maani wrote: Proglover: You said: "keep negativity outta MY threads....thanks!!" You then went on to say: "I didn't expect you of all people to TRY to say a positive thing about Queen or my writings."  Not just negativity, but unnecessary sarcasm. "Oh by the way....are you giving out any more warnings, or was that just for me???"  More sarcasm, as well as bringing in something that has nothing to do with this thread.  Indeed, a "private message" is just that: private.  You have thus also betrayed the trust inherent in that privacy by bringing this into the public sphere. "oh maani, oh dear maani."  More unnecessary sarcasm... "And many of you are Hypocrites."  Truly a "positive" statement if ever there was one...(and, yes, I am resorting to sarcasm here, so that must make me a hypocrite too). "I'm not trying to alienate you. I don't want to alienate anybody."  As Snow Dog pointed out, you are nevertheless doing a good job. Now consider the following comment by you in this light: "Well as we all know I am evil, and deserve to die.....why don't you guys kick me off the site......oh wait...I gotcha...GREAT IDEA proglover......I love it....when people attack me....No one has a problem!!!.....but as soon as I defend my self or express my opinion I get attacked and ganged up on.....If you hate me...I don't give a damn, I'm not here to make friends, I dont care what you think about me..I am going to say what I want, when I want, and how I want." You are not evil, nor has anyone suggested so.  You do not deserve to die, nor has anyone suggested so.  Nobody is looking to kick you off the site, nor has anyone suggested so.  No one has "attacked" you or "ganged up on you" here: other people have simply expressed different opinions to your own.  No one hates you here, nor has that been suggested by anyone. Indeed, your complete lack of understanding of interacting with people in cyberspace was made clear when you assumed that my restatement of your comment - "I dont care what you think about me..I am going to say what I want, when I want, and how I want " - and my own comment in response ("And a darn good thing, too! ") was meant sarcastically rather than honestly.  Your presumption is wrong.  I was, in fact, supporting your right to not care what other people think about you, to say what you want, when you want and how you want.  But for some reason, you chose to read it as both sarcastic and unsupportive. What do you say now? Your final diatribe is of a piece with your inability to accept other people's opinions, despite your protestations to the contrary.  Apparently, anyone who disagrees with you is either a hypocrite, or is somehow personally attacking you, or hates you, or wants to see you thrown off the site. Where is all this hostility coming from?  There is not one post on this thread that would lead a casual, uninvolved observer to believe that any of your paranoia or negativity is warranted. You need to calm down, my friend: take a few steps back, take a few deep breaths, and re-assess your attitude and approach here.  You have every right to your opinions, and to be passionate about them.  However, so does everyone else.  And if all you see when they offer those equally passionate positions is "attack" and "hate," then you are not giving them the same courtesy that you are expecting for your own opinions. Peace.

....Oh why am I constantly being misunderstood on this site???....Ok let me take this one step at a time

1. When I said....."oh maani, oh dear maani"......I was not in ANYWAY being sarcastic or mean spirited. I'm sorry that you read it that way. I was trying to be nice
2. When you applauded me when I said..."I don't care what you think about me. I'm going to say what I want, when I want, how I want".......I DID INFACT appreciate what you did, and no I DID NOT view it as attacking or being unsupportive. Infact I have no idea where you got that assumption. I never even responded to that because there was no need to. I thought it was a nice gesture and I let it BE.
3. My issue with bringing your private message to me into the public light was because quite frankly I thought that your message to me was uncalled for, especially since I've seen worse from other members on this site.
4. I got news for you....when people tell me....to go f**k off, or call me a pompous asshole, or imply that I'm stupid, or call me fanatical for liking Frank Zappa as much as I do....THAT IS ATTACKING!!!!!!............And further more I don't have to take it

I see that we will NEVER see eye to eye...and that is fine with me, but I am quickly losing patience.

Yes, I did call people on this site hypocrites....you know why???.....BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ON THIS SITE ARE HYPOCRITES!!!

If you want to believe that I am some tyrannical maniac who loses his head with NO provocation whatsoever, that is your business.....like I said, I could care less what you think about me.

YES I do indeed combat people's opinion with my own....BUT I WOULD NEVER ATTACK PEOPLE ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, unless of course provoked......I do at times go after people's opinions as they do mine, which I have no problem with....but when it gets personal thats when I have a problem....It does in a way piss me off that no one sees my point of view....why must I be the crazy one??.....But like I said...whatever.......life goes on maani....as will I

peace

Proglover:

If you step back and read through this thread, you will find that your last, highly defensive post came almost immediately after my supportive comment.  What else could it have been a reaction to?  True, Cert had made a somewhat ambiguous joking comment after it.  But there was nothing else that your most recent diatribe seems to have been a response to, if looked at by someone just now reading through this thread for the first time.  If it was not related to my supportive comment that you claim to have understood was supportive, what then were you responding to?

As for your comment that "I got news for you....when people tell me....to go f**k off, or call me a pompous asshole, or imply that I'm stupid, or call me fanatical for liking Frank Zappa as much as I do....THAT IS ATTACKING!!!!!!............And further more I don't have to take it."

First, no one here, on this thread, has told you to go anywhere, or called you anything, or implied anything (indeed, the reverse is true, since you have implied that others are hypocrites), or called you fanatical, or attacked you.  Indeed, you have spent more time attacking yourself than anyone has attacking you.  Second, if things are happening in other threads, don't "bring them with you"; no one here has said one word about Zappa, so why bring that up.

As an aside, if you feel someone is attacking you, the proper thing to do - if you had read the guidelines - is to ignore it, and not engage that person, but rather to contact me via PM and let me know the member and the thread name.  It is then my job to assess what is happening and, if a personal attack has in fact occurred, to warn the member by PM to refrain from such attacks or they will be ejected from the site.  That is why there are guidelines.  That is why there is a procedure for the enforcement of those guidelines.  That is why I was made a member of the admin group: to help create and enforce the guidelines of the site.

Finally, as for your comment that "My issue with bringing your private message to me into the public light was because quite frankly I thought that your message to me was uncalled for, especially since I've seen worse from other members on this site."  Again, if you feel that other members are "getting away with" something that you are being warned about, it is my job to determine that: contact me by PM and let me know the member's name and the thread name and I will determine what steps, if any, need to be taken.  In the meantime, you have betrayed the only real "trust" that can be established on the site; the use of private messaging.

Your defensiveness is palpable.  It is also entirely unnecessary.  As I noted to you, you need to take a couple of steps back, take a few feep breaths, and re-assess your attitude and approach here.  Because if you have few supporters, it is not because people don't like you or want you thrown off the site.  It's because you are doing nothing to instill a sense of comraderie, equality or trust.

Peace.

Edited by maani

Wow, this is getting a bit heavy now guys. ProgLover - how come everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion is (quote) "out of your damn mind"?

Just one final question - if, as you say ProgLover "ALL OF PROG ROCK IS A PASTICHE!!!", what is it a pastiche of exactly?