DT Fanboys

Yes everything!!  Again, unless you didn't understand it the few times that V spelled it out for you.  Its my opinion, I'm sure you have your own.

ELP have always been perfect... even thru Works II to ITHS,  actually saw Keith playing recently.. he's still perfect.. saw Carl playing even more recently and he's more than perfect... now if I could just get them all perfectly playing with each other... things would be just perfect!!

NetsNJFan wrote: threefates wrote: Yes everything!!  Again, unless you didn't understand it the few times that V spelled it out for you.  Its my opinion, I'm sure you have your own. ELP have always been perfect... even thru Works II to ITHS,  actually saw Keith playing recently.. he's still perfect.. saw Carl playing even more recently and he's more than perfect... now if I could just get them all perfectly playing with each other... things would be just perfect!! So Keith has recovered from surgery, I was worried about him??

He recovered from the surgery back in the 90s.. however, his fingers do get a little curled at times.  Even when they do curl tho it hasn't affected one note nor the speed of his playing.. for example you'd need to see the ELP Live at Montreux dvd... you can see the fingers curl, but he plays harder and just as fast as he always has.  That version of Creole Dance is breathtaking...

Then I saw him do Tarkus a few months ago... that was spectacular.  He'll be doing that on the road this summer, he's scheduled for some July shows in Italy...

I´m a great fan of DT. but i can not say that their work is flawless. Because some of their records are good but nothing  relly prog, like ToT ore Awake for me.

I like very much de old prog bands(King Crimson, ELP, Yes, Genesis, LFoyd), mainly because my father is a huge fan of this kind of music.

But my father and a lot of his friends( around 45 all of them), seem to hate the new wave of prog music, they tell me that it is too much heavy, that you can´t feel the music, that is just boring for them.

And I usually argue with them because I DO like old prog , so im able to understand it, but they don´t seem to understand Nothing from prog Metal, perhaps they are a bit tired and they don´t want to spent enough time to listen new music.

I think DT is not the best prog band anyway, but for me is the best music band of the last 50 years, for many reasons  that I am not going to tell now. But everyone has  his own point of view, therefore,  we must spent our efforts on celebrating prog music in general, because for many of us  is like the blood inn our veins.

Ah Mr. Transcend, I guess you're somewhat new here and haven't figured out that 3fates is a girl, not a guy.  And I'm pretty sure there is nothing that ELP has done that she doesn't find just perfect.  She's the only person I know that knows every word to every song Greg Lake has ever sang on.

And the fact that she's been close to Greg Lake a bit over the years in no ways sways her opinion! I wouldn't even bother trying!!  hahaha 

So Jamie do you think my relationship with Greg sways my opinion on ELP... I don't think so.  I didn't have a thing with Carl and Keith.. and they are still my heroes...

And someone else in another thread today mentioned that I have a bias towards David Gilmour for the same reason... give me some credit here... you have heard David Gilmour play haven't you???

Valarius wrote: Certif1ed wrote: there are weaknesses in DT's music, you know BLASPHEMY! Anyhow, I totally understand what you mean... It's really awkward because I totally agree with you, but I also disagree with you. As I've said, I'd proudly give every Dream Theater album five stars. And yes I do know every song and yes I love every song. If I wanted to write a review and got lazy, I would give a quick five stars and a few lines about why it's good. Now, I understand what you mean about feeling cheated and stuff, but I feel if someone likes an album and gives it five stars with a very brief comment, that should be good enough. As this is the persons review of the album and it doesn't have to be a huge lecture. At the end of the day you could have ten DT fans give "Awake" five stars with a brief comment with no consideratin... you could hear the album and think it's crap... but who's to blame? Not you. Not the reviewers. It's all about personal taste. (Although I guess you're the one who loses out with the money. ) Peace.

Not really - I can just flog it on eBay to a fanboy...

The trouble I have is that "fanboys" just vote "5 stars", meaning "I think this R00Lz", when in reality, the 5 stars award on this site means that the album is a masterpiece of progressive rock.

Being totally honest, can you really put any DT album at the same level as any of the prog classics, like Foxtrot, CTTE, ITCOTCK, ELP, or any of Jethro Tull's early offerings?

They're not really in the same league - the music is very different, and the skills used to create it are very different - less attention seems to be paid to actual music creation for the sake of great and innovative music, in favour of creating something "safe" - based on existing genres and musical styles. This is something that cannot be said of early Genesis, Tull, Yes, Gentle Giant, VDGG, etc., and is why I believe the latter are in a higher class of music.

When you ignore the virtuosity and the cleanness of execution, can you honestly compare the music of DT with the prog greats?

Just curious...

NetsNJFan wrote: But do you go into an album knowing it will be 5 stars before you even listen just because it is Dream Theater?  That is what it sounds like.  If they are flawless they will never make a bad record so why bother even critiquing you already know the review.

It would probably grow on me.

Certif1ed wrote: Being totally honest, can you really put any DT album at the same level as any of the prog classics, like Foxtrot, CTTE, ITCOTCK, ELP, or any of Jethro Tull's early offerings?

Yes, I could. Because it's my opinion. "Close To The Edge" is definately my favourite Yes album, but is far from being my favourite album. King Crimson, ELP and Jethro Tull just don't appeal to me. (Although I do own some of their albums).

Certif1ed wrote: When you ignore the virtuosity and the cleanness of execution, can you honestly compare the music of DT with the prog greats?

Probably. Although that's like saying would Metallica still sound the same without James Hetfield? I can't answer because I love Dream Theater, if they didn't do the big over-the-top solos they wouldn't be Dream Theater.

Valarius wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Being totally honest, can you really put any DT album at the same level as any of the prog classics, like Foxtrot, CTTE, ITCOTCK, ELP, or any of Jethro Tull's early offerings? Yes, I could. Because it's my opinion. "Close To The Edge" is definately my favourite Yes album, but is far from being my favourite album. King Crimson, ELP and Jethro Tull just don't appeal to me. (Although I do own some of their albums). Certif1ed wrote: When you ignore the virtuosity and the cleanness of execution, can you honestly compare the music of DT with the prog greats? Probably. Although that's like saying would Metallica still sound the same without James Hetfield? I can't answer because I love Dream Theater, if they didn't do the big over-the-top solos they wouldn't be Dream Theater.

Gaaah!

Well, at least you admit to blind worship...

NetsNJFan wrote: Valarius wrote: NetsNJFan wrote: I just think you're being silly. Humans are not perfect. Therefore how could dream theater be perfect?  I've never come across any band that was perfect so maybe I'm to strict in my rating. Because it's all opinion... I think they're perfect, because I love every song of theres. Doesn't mean they are perfect. They just are to me. Anyway, I'm not fighting with you... I'm enjoying this. This is a good discussion. Ok good.....no hard feelings..........so you just admitted they aren't perfect, you just think they are cause you love them...basically. Ididn't think this thread would get so long.

You gotta be kiddin'! DT threads just run and run..........................