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    Posted: May 19 2005 at 11:16

So, everyone's been telling me that they are one of the bands that defined british prog and the use of mellotron in general... Yet noone ever talks about them here extensively.

I was wondering, which of their albums should I get for a good start?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 11:21

Keke:

Try either A Question of Balance or On the Threshold of a Dream.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 11:25
My favourite is Seventh Sojourn, the last of their classic period in 1972. It
contains a lot of their darkest material, including Hayward's beautiful
"New Horizons", written for his father who had passed on, and Mike
Pinder's two darkest compositions.

If you want hippie optimism, In Search of the Lost Chord is full of Sgt
Pepperesque sitary bits, and To Our Children's Children's Children is an
enthusiastic concept album about space travel, featuring some of the
bands' most beautiful songs.

A Question of Balance is most concise record, with some of their most
popular songs.

Here are my ratings for the classic Moodies albums:

Days of Future Passed: 3.5: groundbreaking, with full symphony orchestra
In Search of the Lost Chord: 3.5: A little dated, but if you like psychedelia,
get it.
To Our Children's Children's Children: 4: Some really beautiful ballads,
and a lush symphonic mellotron sound.
On the Threshold of a Dream: 3: More poppy, less memorable to me.
A Question of Balance: 3.5: The band starts to rock a little more and
strips down the arrangments. A great collection of tunes.
Every Good Boy Deserves Favour: 3: Similar to the last, but not as strong
Seventh Sojourn: 4.5: Hayward's and Pinder's finest hour, and some
amazing Mellotron/Chamberlain sounds. Finds the band in a very
reflective mood, and it works.

All of the albums are laced with mellotron, you can't go wrong there.

Prog or not? I don't care at all. Perhaps proto-prog. They favoured
shorter songs.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:21
4.5 On the Threshold of a Dream
4.0 A Question of Balance
4.0 To Our Children's Children's Children
3.5 In Search of the Lost Chord
3.5 Days of Future Passed
3.5 Seventh Sojourn
3.5 Every Good Boy Deserves Favour

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 19:15

I've been a Moodies fan officially for 19 years.  They are probably my favourite band.  THE albums by them to get are the "first seven":  Days through Seventh Sojourn.  If you want a good comp to start out with, THIS IS THE MOODY BLUES (if you can find it) is a two-disc best of that was arranged by Tony Clarke-- all the stuff on it seagues into everything else, just like on one of their original albums, it's just that it's a comp.  And it's got Mike's "Simple Game" on it (which you won't find anywhere else that I know of).

       For those of you who are already Moodies fans, send me a message and I'll tell you about the time that I unexpectedly talked to Mike Pinder on the phone (how I came to do it isn't really something I'm proud of, though, but...)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 19:25
I'm not really much of a Moody Blues fan, but I recommend you stay with the early work, because they have really gone downhill over time.

Days of Future Passed is cool, and I remember liking In Search of the Lost Chord, too. The others...I'm not as crazy about. Every Good Boy Deserves Favour is OK but only 3 stars worth. Same with Threshhold, to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 21:22

Start With:

Days of Future Passed (1967)

The Birth of Symphonic Prog Rock

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2005 at 10:23
Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

Start With:

Days of Future Passed (1967)

The Birth of Symphonic Prog Rock


This, and A Question Of Balance. Fantastic. I especially like the end of "Melancholy Man"!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2005 at 11:32
Originally posted by Keke Keke wrote:

So, everyone's been telling me that they are one of the bands that defined british prog and the use of mellotron in general... Yet noone ever talks about them here extensively.


I've been wondering the same thing.  You almost never hear them referred to in reviews of newer bands.  When did you last read, "they sound like the Moody Blues...?"  And they are never referred to as one of the big bands of the '70's.  It's always Yes, Genesis, KC, etc.

So what's wrong with this picture?  I don't understand.  They were a great band, and as NetsNJFan posted, they gave birth to symphonic prog????????????

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2005 at 14:39
Here's my personal take, but this may or may not be accurate, and I invite people with more expertise in earlier music to set me straight if necessary.

One of their first albums, Days of Future Passed, involved a live orchestra as well as some Mellotron. This is the album that I think really brought something new to the musical scene, especially given how good the sound was on it. That had to have been something almost entirely unprecedented for its time.

After that, though, they never went back to actually using a live orchestra. They used a Mellotron to try to replicate the orchestra. This was one of the very first samplers, and while that was revolutionary as well, I think the execution had mixed results. When used as a backing instrument it could be very effective; when brought to the forefront, the limitations of the technology (I think) surely had to be evident even then.

The other problem with the Moody Blues (to my mind) is a tendency to be lyrically and musically quite sappy and also to mix pure pop in with their records, right from the beginning. And in the most recent albums, they've deteriorated very, very badly into something that is almost pure pop...and not just pop, but like something you'd hear on the radio show Delilah. This is one of the reasons that I personally can't get into them very far, and I would be interested to know if it bothers other people.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2005 at 15:10
There are a lot of Moody Blues songs that I love and just as many that I just can't stand!  A real mixt rating for them from me....."Question" ranks real high in my all time favorite songs list....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2005 at 17:58

Originally posted by FloydWright FloydWright wrote:

Here's my personal take, but this may or may not be accurate, and I invite people with more expertise in earlier music to set me straight if necessary.

One of their first albums, Days of Future Passed, involved a live orchestra as well as some Mellotron. This is the album that I think really brought something new to the musical scene, especially given how good the sound was on it. That had to have been something almost entirely unprecedented for its time.

After that, though, they never went back to actually using a live orchestra. They used a Mellotron to try to replicate the orchestra. This was one of the very first samplers, and while that was revolutionary as well, I think the execution had mixed results. When used as a backing instrument it could be very effective; when brought to the forefront, the limitations of the technology (I think) surely had to be evident even then.

The other problem with the Moody Blues (to my mind) is a tendency to be lyrically and musically quite sappy and also to mix pure pop in with their records, right from the beginning. And in the most recent albums, they've deteriorated very, very badly into something that is almost pure pop...and not just pop, but like something you'd hear on the radio show Delilah. This is one of the reasons that I personally can't get into them very far, and I would be interested to know if it bothers other people.

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I agree, some of their stuff is bad, but you have to put it into historical context.  They were very much of the mid-'60s pop scene.  The fact that they made "Days of Future Passed", which still stands as one of the landmarks of Prog is amazing, considering it was 1967, a full 2 years before the advent of King Crimson.  That album was way ahead of its time and they should be credited for that.

But i agree, after that their albums are too poppy mixed in with the good prog.  If they had continued in that highly pompous orhestrated vein I'd have been delighted.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2005 at 18:58
Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:


I agree, some of their stuff is bad, but you have to put it into historical context.  They were very much of the mid-'60s pop scene.  The fact that they made "Days of Future Passed", which still stands as one of the landmarks of Prog is amazing, considering it was 1967, a full 2 years before the advent of King Crimson.  That album was way ahead of its time and they should be credited for that.

But i agree, after that their albums are too poppy mixed in with the good prog.  If they had continued in that highly pompous orhestrated vein I'd have been delighted.  



Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:


I agree, some of their stuff is bad, but you have to put it into historical context.  They were very much of the mid-'60s pop scene.  The fact that they made "Days of Future Passed", which still stands as one of the landmarks of Prog is amazing, considering it was 1967, a full 2 years before the advent of King Crimson.  That album was way ahead of its time and they should be credited for that.

But i agree, after that their albums are too poppy mixed in with the good prog.  If they had continued in that highly pompous orhestrated vein I'd have been delighted.  



 I was there, trying to flog that record when it was first released in the UK  - few people bought it. The Moody Blues had been a washed-up 1 hit wonder pop with Go Now (Denny Lane as the lead vocalist), still under contract to the mighty Decca Records label - the one that turned down the Beatles. During that period in the Uk the record companies were making the push to promote stereophonic records over monoaural. However, stereophonic reproduction gear was expensive and sold predominantly to the middle aged who weren't in rock'n'roll or pop, while the kids could just about afford a cheap mono player. I was one of the first teens locally  to a get a stereo player(probably a Dansette)  and that was the first cheap one offered on the UK market. Another problem, while classical and popular music got released both on stereo and mono (i.e. to the wealthy middle aged), there were many occasions when you couldn't get a stereo version for months after the mono LP was released - e.g. there was over a year's gap between the mono and stereo version of Mayall's 'Beano' Bluesbreaker album with Clapton, 8 weeks  between mono and stereo version of the Stones Aftermath (both Decca releases). Hence Days of Future was seen at the time as Decca  trying to break their Phase Four  stereo speciality label into the youth market but without frightening away the established  middle aged market, by using one of their popular studio orchestras (didn't they double up playing film scores at Pinewood Studios???) to accompany the group.
The album did not  initially sell in big numbers in the UK because it was first advertised to the typical Phase Four record buyer's market before the young music  fans - but our store got it in on sale or return deal. Most of us pop fans dismissed the album as a bad compromise and having few stand up songs. Nights In White Satin was the big hit but then as now clearly a tune with strong psychedelic overtones, and wasn't an edited version of Tuesday Afternoon a big hit in the USA (but not in their home country) - again supplying the summer of love with another anthem. The UK lost the Moodies for over a year, when they disappeared to the US to capitalise (successfully) on Tuesday Afternoon being a hit. And note when Yes were pressed by a producer to try strings and things on their second album Time & A Word, that got some strong negative reactions as well. While  orchestras seemed to work as accompaniment for folk singers (Simon and Garfunkel, David McWilliams, Al Stewart and so on), orchestras and pop/rock groups were not readily accepted -in that period. Exceptions were Nice and Deep Purple, but then specifically used for classical covers and the bands  own concertos.  I have problems thinking of any other (prog) bands from 1967 to 1975 that employed full orchestras - instead electronic keyboards were coming onto the marketplace enabling a few bands to sound like an orchestra (and of course  the mellotron  could provide the strings and flute effects, with increasingly unimaginative use of that instrument) but most bands would use electronic to sound very unlike an orchestra. And while the Moody Blues were away, they were temporarily forgotten (likewise that album) by most people and real ear-catching prog came in in the form of Krimson and Renaissance - both from a label respected by the youth record buying, public Island Records. As I've written before, ITCOTCK was sometimes said here in the UK during the late 60's to be the album the Moody Blues should have made but they lacked something to do it.

So  promoting of Days Of Future Past as being the first prog rock album, is much more to do with hindsight than what was thought when the record was first released. Precursor probably, fully fashioned progressive rock, no chance.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2005 at 19:28

^ Honestly, I agree with Mr. Heath. "Days" is a very important album, but it's not really a Moody Blues album in the sense that the orchestral parts are not Moodies compositions, and don't really express the unique feel or approach of the band. Once Pinder took over with the mellotron on subsequent albums, it was much more of a band project and more consciously 'progressive'.

They're not like any other band, but it's not the distinctiveness that most good prog bands get from exploring the outer fringes of music...it's more of a natural development of a particular psychedelic-era approach. The original seven albums showed a band exploring and experimenting just outside the 60's pop-rock structure, focusing on rich sonic storytelling. I can see where some might see them as 'poppy' or 'fluffy' (especially after the classic seven) but there's plenty of depth even in the silliest Ray-penned chanty.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2005 at 01:29
Very good, very in-depth - but it still doesn't explain how the Moodies were such a popular band during their run between 'Days' and 'Seventh Sojourn' and have since seemed to drop out of progdom while the other big bands of the day didn't.

And, I have to admit, I don't listen to them any more either!  I played them incessantly back then and now they just don't stir any interest in my prog brain.  Maybe I'm answering my own quesiton here  between these lines............
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2005 at 03:50
I love 'Question' ,that song still gives me goosebumps! Other than that I know very little about The Moodies other than Justin Hayward is a local lad from my home town Swindon which I'm quite proud of.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2005 at 04:21

A question: Wasn't the great Denny Lane (later in "Wings") a member of Moody Blues before they went prog??? Am I wrong??? He wrote the great ballad "Go Now".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2005 at 04:32
Originally posted by flowerchild flowerchild wrote:

A question: Wasn't the great Denny Lane (later in "Wings") a member of Moody Blues before they went prog??? Am I wrong??? He wrote the great ballad "Go Now".

Yes, I remembered right Look here: http://rateyourmusic.com/view_album_details/album_id_is_4994 5

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2005 at 11:40
Originally posted by Litl Litl wrote:

Very good, very in-depth - but it still doesn't explain how the Moodies
were such a popular band during their run between 'Days' and 'Seventh
Sojourn' and have since seemed to drop out of progdom while the other
big bands of the day didn't.

And, I have to admit, I don't listen to them any more either!  I
played them incessantly back then and now they just don't stir any
interest in my prog brain.  Maybe I'm answering my own quesiton
here  between these lines............


I've heard some say that it was the leaving of Pinder that did the Moody Blues in.
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