DT Fanboys

KeyserSoze wrote: "After hearing the second disc I realized Dream Theater is the best progressive band ever, no matter what anyone else says."

I'm a fan of DT, but reviews like this just piss me off. 

Just to fan the flames a lttlle further I have this very interesting comment about Dream Theater that appeared in the ELP magazine 'Impressions' October 2001 from none other than Carl Palmer with reference to America and where prog was going at the time:

''I think that bands like Dream Theatre that are trying to push it forward are so bad as far as writing melodies go,it's boring.They play well but there are a thousand and one of us that have good chops,so progressive music in America is no longer on the radio at any time of day.Its a shame,because they are wonderfull players,they toured with us (ELP) and they were great.They watched us every night,they watched the tricks,how it's all done and they tried to learn their craft.At the end of the day ,there's no music.You need tunes,it's only a tune we're after,where's the tune,not a big deal,just want a tune.Simple,so it's not going anywhere,it's a shame.''

AT the time I read those comments I was very annoyed.Why sl*g off a band that clearly look up to you? Quite nasty comments on the face of it.However now I think he has a point even if it over simplified.There doesn't seem to be one great song in their catologue.ELP did instrumental stuff and quality songs seamlessly.DT seem to be occupying a nowhere place with poor songs and little in the way of innovative music.That is my opinion anyway.It is a real shame.

Countless people have stated that he's entitled to his own opinion.  "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it," is a Voltaire quote I think is pertinent to this situation. 

The question I'd like to ask is, why does it matter?  Someone's opinion is different.  Get over it!  There's nothing wrong with Dream Theater, and whether or not half of you are willing to admit it, Dream Theater are definitely a formidable force in the prog. scene.

Oh, hi.  I'm a newbie.  I thought it was ridiculous to create a new topic just to introduce myself, so I decided to forgo all of that and write some kind of half-hearted introduction in the first topic I posted in. 

Hi.

Edit: I think it's a delightful coincidence that I unwittingly selected the same avatar as another member (Though I should have known, seeing as it's a default one.), but also happened to post right after that person. 


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Well, 'opinion' and  'recognition of talent' aren't necessarily synonymous.

Verity wrote: Well, 'opinion' and  'recognition of talent' aren't necessarily synonymous.

Talent isn't the be all and end all if you don't know what to do with it.

Thing is, DT make music that appeals to people. There's nothing else a band needs to do, and they do it perfectly well, seen the amount of die-hard DT fans. Besides, they are really nice guys who know perfeclty well what they're up to! And for anyone scolding DT on grounds of composition writing etc.: try it yourself! I strongly doubt if you would reach the same heights as DT...

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King of Loss wrote: (Off Topic) I'D LOVE TO SEE A BATTLE BETWEEN ELP AND DT FANS

Here you are

(the guy in white is Keith Emerson)

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flowerchild wrote: Manunkind wrote: King of Loss wrote: (Off Topic) I'D LOVE TO SEE A BATTLE BETWEEN ELP AND DT FANS Here you are (the guy in white is Keith Emerson) Im the one holding the flag high

Then prepare to be struck down, because this is what happened historically (but don't worry, at once a friendly took the flag over and you got lifted up and survived).

My two cents here is that us Dream Theater fans are always more than happy to discuss anything prog-related, but as soon as we mention how Dream Theater are our favourite bands, all the old proggers go on-and-on about how we don't know anything about prog and we one-sided etc etc, and how Dream Theater can't compose properly and steal riffs and the list continues.

Basically, I'm putting the blame for all these wars on oldie prog fans (who don't like Dream Theater). Now I can't judge any of you because I don't know you, but the GENERAL IMPRESSION I get from you all is "Dream Theater isn't prog. Yes/ELP/Genesis (Anyone else)... IS prog. If someone likes Dream Theater, they are ignorant to prog music and know nothing".

 

Something about the erroneous Octavarium "reviews" just struck me:

Dont you think it says something about DT stylistically that some of their fans have been  hoodwinked by a James LaBrie solo album?

Is their music so derivative that they have no discernible style signature?

Or does it just suggest that Prog metal attracts the more stupid end of the Prog World spectrum?