Hiroshima: Dropped Or Not Dropped?

TheProgtologist wrote: goose wrote: Worst atrocity ever? NO,the worst atrocity ever comitted was The Holocaust.

^ nah, I was responding to his bandwagon Yank-bashing (just about as helpful and correct as calling all followers of Islam terrorists). But the remark about weapons is equally ignorant...I suppose he's implying that if you're going to try to murder someone, it's somehow more virtuous to do it with your bare hands (he does seem like a 'nails and teeth' fighter). Yet in the same breath he refers to Hiroshima & Nagasaki as a 'necessary evil' (I guess he didn't read the apropos posts by danbo & BJean). So it all adds up to a garden-variety troll, which I should know better than to feed. Apple polly lodgies to the forum.

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Ditto!

The bomb was not dropped on Hiroshima without other possibilities being discussed in Washington. Initally a delegation from the Japanese government were going to be invited to New Mexico to witness a test. They would then be told 'Surrender, or some of your cities will get that!' This was ruled out, as the scientists were so paranoid about the bomb being a dud on the day.

Once the politics was in motion, anyones reservations about using the bomb fell on deaf ears. Its use became inevitable - so the Pentagon claimed. Oppenheimer & Co although pleased their test in the desert had been a success, were troubled by the idea of actually using the thing on civillians.

There was deep remorse in the US, after its use, in political, military and scientific circles, but a slow acceptance that the Japanese were not going to surrender, and that millions more lives would have been lost on both sides if the US invasion had gone ahead. I cant help but see the logic in this argument, although I'm inclined to think there is always more than meets the eye in war, especially when you consider the simmering paranoia between the US and the USSR in the last years of the war.

I campaigned against these weapons for years, asa member of CND, but with age, I have learned to 'accept' the bomb, and that it ironically probably DID prevent a third world war.

Our problems with WMD may have just started. We need to keep an eye on Israel & North Korea more than anyone else IMO. Iran should not be ignored either...

my only regret is that we didn't build a  nuke for Berlin as well.

They had to be dropped.  An invasion of Japan without a surrender would have killed hundreds of thousands of american troops.  The nukes ended the war quickly and decisively, and destroyed one of the nmost evil governments ever.  The Japanese Imperialists are too quickly forgotten for the crimes they committed, at least in western culture.

my only regret is that we didn't build a  nuke for Berlin as well.

Your blind hatred for Europeans is becoming more and more obvious...

An invasion of Japan without a surrender would have killed hundreds of thousands of american troops.

So you don't care how many Japanese or Europeans die, but you only care about how much Americans die?

Really, retards like you are giving Americans a bad name all around the world. You should be ashamed for your false patriotism.

BillBoh1971 wrote: my only regret is that we didn't build a  nuke for Berlin as well. Your blind hatred for Europeans is becoming more and more obvious... An invasion of Japan without a surrender would have killed hundreds of thousands of american troops. So you don't care how many Japanese or Europeans die, but you only care about how much Americans die? Really, retards like you are giving Americans a bad name all around the world. You should be ashamed for your false patriotism.

 

WW2 was a different time and a different situation.  No, the United States didn't care how many Japanese died at that moment in time because Japan  attacked the United States, a neutral country at the time, and in 1941-5 the US was in a declared state of war with them and their allies. No diplomatic relations of any kind were allowed.  You cannot pass that off as false patriotism or relate it to miltatry actions of this day and age.

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Garion81 wrote: BillBoh1971 wrote: my only regret is that we didn't build a  nuke for Berlin as well. Your blind hatred for Europeans is becoming more and more obvious... An invasion of Japan without a surrender would have killed hundreds of thousands of american troops. So you don't care how many Japanese or Europeans die, but you only care about how much Americans die? Really, retards like you are giving Americans a bad name all around the world. You should be ashamed for your false patriotism.   WW2 was a different time and a different situation.  No, the United States didn't care how many Japanese died at that moment in time because Japan  attacked the United States, a neutral country at the time, and in 1941-5 the US was in a declared state of war with them and their allies. No diplomatic relations of any kind were allowed.  You cannot pass that off as false patriotism or relate it to miltatry actions of this day and age.

exactly garion.  Japan attacked us.  Their citizens lined up to kill us.  We were completely justified in bringing them to their knees for what they did to us.

BillBoh have you know sense of enemy and ally?  Yes I do care a hell of a lot more about American lives than the lives of German or Japanese barbarians (during WWII of course).

My support of my country does not make me a retard, and you are coming off as a stereotypical, pretentious we-are-better-than-you, know it all, eurotrash billboh.