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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 12:27
Originally posted by Damen Damen wrote:

Unless you're willing to shell out ALOT of money, you can't get a decent guitar in this day and age, which is why all my equipment is vintage 60's or 70's. New equipment is all mass produced, even in companies like Gibson, so the quality is definately sub-par, and companies like ESP or Peavy gear their equipment towards metal or punk. I suggest going to a pawn shop and looking for an old Les Paul or Gibson SG or something along those lines. Pawn Shops sell things ridiculously cheap, and usually in good condition.


Careful!  As a beginner he doesn't know a good instrument from a bad.  So why go someplace where it's Dicey?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 12:42
If you have 600$, you'd have to buy a Mexican or Japanese Strat. They
aren't bad. American models will cost you more.

The Epiphone Les Pauls and SGs are OK too. For $700.00ish, you can get
a Faded Series Gibson SG or Les Paul, and they are fine instuments.

Danelectros used to be the best guitars in the $400.00 price range, IMO,
but they aren't very versatile, and they are hard to come by these days, at
least where I live.

The only problem with all these guitars is they won't go up in value, so if
you want to upgrade, you won't get much for them. A good guitar will
cost more, that's just a fact of life, I guess.

Personally, I've never seen a top-flite guitar in a pawn shop, but I suppose
it must happen.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 12:55
Originally posted by Wormboy Wormboy wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by porter porter wrote:

since you're a beginner, I would suggest not to go too far with brands and especially money, so you'd better choose a cheap guitar...there are some good brands like Epiphone, if you like the les paul style, or maybe you could opt for a Mexican or Japanese Fender, if you like the strat. PLEASE LEAVE ALONE THE VARIAX at this stage, I think it could be a little confusing since, as you said, you still haven't played a scale on a guitar. That's a guitar for the pro's, or for people who already know what they need and what they don't.

Quite the opposite. Why do you want to force him to decide whether he's a Fender or Gibson guy? The Variax is certainly a good guitar for beginners - especially the Variax 300. Hey, you not only get both Gibson and Fender sounds, but also quite good simulations of various acoustic guitars including a 12 string guitar.

I'd rather say the reverse: The Variax is NOT a guitar for pros, because the sounds are not as good as the genuine versions. But they're DAMN good, and certainly better than cheap versions of Fender and Gibson guitars.

BTW: If you use your computer to play music, you might want to consider buying the GuitarPort instead of a fully fledged amp. Its sound is as good as that of the POD XT ... 



Sorry, I totally disagree.  A Variax would be a horrible choice for a beginner.  Frankly, it doesn't matter that much what you learn on as long as it's a good instrument.  Go with standards, and worry about the Gibson/Fender split after a couple of years.  No beginner really cares about that kind of crap anyway.  They are just trying to learn a new instrument.

Sounds to me like you're pushing a specific guitar for some reason.  Variax rep, are you?

I'm not a Variax rep, I don't even have one. Sounds like you're bashing the Variax for some reason. If you read reviews, ask guitar teachers etc. you'll find out that that Variax isn't a bad guitar at all.

Sorry, the highlighted bits in your post are just nonsense. It's true that no beginner cares ... but they should. If they buy the Variax, they are free to explore the Fender sounds and the Gibson sounds. The WORST thing a beginner can do is to buy a Fender Strat and then discover that he needs humbucker sounds, or he buys a Gibson and misses the "twang".

As I said in the above post: If you don't like the Variax, buy an alround guitar from Yamaha, Ibanez etc. but not a Fender Strat or a Les Paul.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 13:09

Originally posted by Wormboy Wormboy wrote:

Originally posted by Damen Damen wrote:

Unless you're willing to shell out ALOT of money, you can't get a decent guitar in this day and age, which is why all my equipment is vintage 60's or 70's. New equipment is all mass produced, even in companies like Gibson, so the quality is definately sub-par, and companies like ESP or Peavy gear their equipment towards metal or punk. I suggest going to a pawn shop and looking for an old Les Paul or Gibson SG or something along those lines. Pawn Shops sell things ridiculously cheap, and usually in good condition.


Careful!  As a beginner he doesn't know a good instrument from a bad.  So why go someplace where it's Dicey?

Good point, I guess using a lower quality instrument is better for beginners, so you can at least feel out if you want to continue playing, and upgrade as your skill level increases, trust me, you won't be able to play prog right off the bat

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 13:15
I started with a $125 Japanese Strat knockoff.  It served its purpose well (besides having a bad switch ).  When I get some cash on-hand, I'd like to get a Parker Fly...  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 13:19

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

I started with a $125 Japanese Strat knockoff.  It served its purpose well (besides having a bad switch ).  When I get some cash on-hand, I'd like to get a Parker Fly...  

That's obvious, because your biggest heros play Parker guitars.

they're pretty nice, but priced well above $1.500, if I remember correctly.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 13:21
the guitar i play with uses Ibanez, they sound pretty nice (I'm a drummer as well, and know only a bit about guitars.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 13:23
The Ibanez RG series are good alround guitars. They're a good compromise between Fender and Gibson, and you can choose between metal oriented guitars with two humbuckers, 24 jumbo frets and H-S-S models with 22 frets. They all have a locking tremolo (vibrato) system, which is a bit more cumbersome, but also has advantages ... 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 13:28
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

I started with a $125 Japanese Strat knockoff.  It served its purpose well (besides having a bad switch ).  When I get some cash on-hand, I'd like to get a Parker Fly...  

That's obvious, because your biggest heros play Parker guitars.

they're pretty nice, but priced well above $1.500, if I remember correctly.

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  Yeah, they're pretty expensive...  I think I'd be content for a chance to PLAY one... 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 13:30

^ I played one half a year ago when I was looking for a new guitar ... quite nice. But in the end I chose the ESP Horizon. The neck-through construction is awesome, both handling-wise and sound-wise.

I love the design of the Parker Fly ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 13:43

1970 Les Paul Custom

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 13:43

Strats are great, Les Pauls are great, why can't there be one that's like both of them?!  There is!  Well, not really, but PRS guitars are very nice.  Unfortunately, they can get pretty expensive.  My friend has a Schecter C-1 that's been described as "the poor man's PRS", and it is an absolutely fabulous guitar!  2 humbuckers, but you can switch 'em to single-coils if you want that chime and twang!  I myself have a Peavey Raptor EXP Plus, and I really adore it.  It is almost identical to a Strat, but for a humbucker in the neck position.  It gets the twang and the crunch!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 13:47
The BC Rich Exclusive is a great guitar. Neck-through, sunburst finish,
classic design with no thingys sticking out of it like you'd expect a BC
RIch to have... I love it. About $1000. The Mockingbird (as seen in many
late-70s acts) is also great.

People speak highly of Hagstroms, but I've never had the chance to play
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 13:47

The best guitar for to have yhe best prog sound is a "Rickenbaker". It's the guitar that've been used buy almost all prog group in late 60'S and begining of 70's. But, I dont know if they still make guitar or still alive!! 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 13:50
Originally posted by TURK182! TURK182! wrote:

The best guitar for to have yhe best prog sound is a "Rickenbaker". It's the guitar that've been used buy almost all prog group in late 60'S and begining of 70's. But, I dont know if they still make guitar or still alive!! 

 

Rickenbacker still produces alot of 6 strings and their famous 12 strings, but I prefer their basses, even though i'd rather have an old 4001 with the toaster pickups and dual truss rods over a 4003.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 13:58
I stood slack-jawed in front of the Rickenbacker booth at the NAMM show
in LA for a while last year...tasty indeed. If I could go back in time and
join the Byrds, I would.

Unfortunately, their applications are rather limited, even in the basses,
which have a certain tone that doesn't fit everything. A lot of bassists
prefer the reliable old Fender P-bass for a nice thick tone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 14:46

Thank you so much for all the suggestions!  They have been most helpful in my goal of purchasing a guitar.

It seems the majority of people are swaying towards recommending the Fender Strat.  I was checking out some of the local music shops, and this guitar seems to be priced around 800 for the american-made version and 500 for the mexican ones.  I was also checking about some of the usual online-buying suspects (ebay, etc.)  and discovered that the Maxican-made strats drop in price significantly once they've been used for a year or two.  I would likely be able to purchase one from a reliable seller for around $250 or so.  Would this be a good idea?

Also, we here in Vancouver are lucky enough to have a Tom Lee music store which seems to offer the best prices in the area.  They currently have what i believe to be an amazing deal on an Ibanez RG170R-- which ive looked up and seems to usually sell around $300-350.  However, they currently have it on sale for $230 Canadian (190ish US)  The problem is that even i know this model is built for metal-heads.  Yet would it be a good option for a beginner like me?

Take a salt tablet!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 14:52
Personally I would not suggest that Ibanez...if you are not a metal-head,
you may not enjoy learning on it and you certainly won't want to keep it.
But Ibanez's are not bad guitars per se.

Ebay can be a good option if you find a reliable seller. It's always a risk,
and remember the shipping could cost you from the States. I'm Canadian
also, and I know about that. Customs charges could add another $150.00
bucks, no kidding, if the government decides you are buying something
and the seller doesn't mark it as a gift. So you have to factor that
possibility in.

Are there any other used music stores in Vancouver? I figure there has to
be. Check around some more in your Vancouver/Victoria stores before
buying on the internet. Mexican strats are common and a good value for
the money.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 15:03
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I'm not a Variax rep, I don't even have one. Sounds like you're bashing the Variax for some reason. If you read reviews, ask guitar teachers etc. you'll find out that that Variax isn't a bad guitar at all.

Sorry, the highlighted bits in your post are just nonsense. It's true that no beginner cares ... but they should. If they buy the Variax, they are free to explore the Fender sounds and the Gibson sounds. The WORST thing a beginner can do is to buy a Fender Strat and then discover that he needs humbucker sounds, or he buys a Gibson and misses the "twang".

As I said in the above post: If you don't like the Variax, buy an alround guitar from Yamaha, Ibanez etc. but not a Fender Strat or a Les Paul.



I was just kiddin you about the Variax rep!

My take is that if you're going to learn and you're determined to be good at it, then learn on a good, but not great instrument.  Also, it is my opinion that beginners don't care as much for the finer subtleties of sound, but instead need a guitar that is easy to play and easy to learn on.  IMO moderate-priced Fenders and Gibsons fit this bill.

But I can indeed see the allure of versatility in sound--that's why I went for the Fender Flame back in the day.  I'd been playing a couple of years, was fair in skill, and wanted the diversity of sound without having to buy two guitars.  I have no regrets, but I dropped a pretty penny for it, too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 15:05

I have a Mexican Strat - bought it new about 7-8 years ago for $290. I don't play out, but it works just fine foer me. Sounds good, really easy to play, and I was able to add a wammy bar for $20.00. It seems to me that you should be able  to get a used one inyour price range.

 

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