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barbs
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Topic: Personality types and prog Posted: August 18 2005 at 05:53 |
What affect (if any) do you think that personality type has on your choice of music
and what you choose especially as your favourites. (might take a bit of contemplation)
What started me thinking about this was reading through the forums recently and
noticing how often people would disagree about certain bands or how they
thought they were overrated. A few forum members, for example, think that
PF aren't very good whereas others believe them to be the best, with many in the middle.
Some members who listen to GG sound almost repulsed by the music of other bands.
DT for example, tends to bring out some of the worst reactions.
Now while we can agree that this is personal choice, freedom of speech etc - it doesn't get away
from the fact that a great deal of people will at times, like a band we dislike and I am
suggesting that our dislike often has nothing to do with the quality or even the
aesthetic of the music, thus it is my 'personal' taste.
While the development of your musical taste most likely progresses
through nurture, experimentation, degrees of musical
intellect(understanding) and immersion, it still seems to me, because
of musics emotive elements that, music often matches personality types.
A task oriented person with a dominant choleric streak in them will
like a certain type of music and because of their personality type may
be adamant that their music is the best. Why. Because they chose it,
they like it and they 'always' make the right decision.(sic) Probably
not but thats the way they will argue. A melancholic dominated
personality type (probably me), would possibly love PF, PT, Opeths
Damnation, Marillion, probably Yes and Genesis etc, but may not be able
to stand Krautrock etc.
So do you think this is 'utter bollocks' (provide picture please ) or do you believe there
is some credibility in this suggestion?... and can you give an example of this in your favourite music...or someone elses .
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 06:17 |
I think the main personality trait required is an open mind. if you're not open minded then you will never listen to the more interesting bands. you also need to be tenacious. if you turn off a record after 1 listen, you've not going to gain an appreciation. however, if you stick with it you open your mind to enjoying it. prog is an interesting beast that requires attentive listening to enjoy and discover new bands.
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Politician
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 06:28 |
There probably is some truth in this. Whilst I like all kinds of progressive
music (and a lot of psychedelic, folk and extreme metal stuff), I
particularly like knotty, complex music: Zeuhl, RIO, Krautrock, etc. That's
partly because I like a challenge, but also I think because I enjoy
understanding music that many people find inaccessible. It's partly the
desire to be different: for instance, I've just bought a new home and am
having the decorating done from scratch. Whilst many people would have
chosen a natural wood floor and black leather furniture for the apartment,
I've opted for a black wood floor and white leather furniture - mainly
because I've never seen that done before. There's a connection there, I
think...
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 06:29 |
spectral wrote:
I think the main personality trait required is an open
mind. if you're not open minded then you will never listen to the
more interesting bands. you also need to be tenacious. if
you turn off a record after 1 listen, you've not going to gain an
appreciation. however, if you stick with it you open your mind to
enjoying it. prog is an interesting beast that requires attentive
listening to enjoy and discover new bands. |
I agree but I still think there is more to the selection of your personal favs
than that. IMO, when you are in touch with your own feelings and begin
to know yourself and your personal responses, likes, dislikes and why,
then you begin to understand that it is more than just being open
minded because a person can be as open minded as they like but it
doesn't mean they are going to love everything they listen to, no
matter how many times they listen to it. Otherwise, it can almost be
like being your own dictator, who by force, subjugates the will to
accept any sound or a noise as a worthy piece of music, despite the
ears bleeding.
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barbs
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 06:36 |
Politician wrote:
There probably is some truth in this. Whilst I like all kinds of progressive
music (and a lot of psychedelic, folk and extreme metal stuff), I
particularly like knotty, complex music: Zeuhl, RIO, Krautrock, etc. That's
partly because I like a challenge, but also I think because I enjoy
understanding music that many people find inaccessible. It's partly the
desire to be different: for instance, I've just bought a new home and am
having the decorating done from scratch. Whilst many people would have
chosen a natural wood floor and black leather furniture for the apartment,
I've opted for a black wood floor and white leather furniture - mainly
because I've never seen that done before. There's a connection there, I
think... |
Yes, they are some of the connections that I was hoping people would be
able to make about this. I think it can help us to understand others a bit better
as well.
Can you post some pics of what that room looks like?
It sounds like an interesting idea.
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 06:46 |
When I bought my first Yes album (yessongs) it was the 70s and I was 16
or 17. I certainly had no understanding or control of my destiny or
feelings at that stage (I think I was buying the partridge family
before this ). Most proggers may
well just be loners with a highly developed creative side of their
brain. Their imagination takes pleasure in the evocative emotions
created with this type of compositional music. I bet we all like to
read and watch fantasy/SciFi as well.
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 06:52 |
I am an eccentric by nature, and that definitely shows in my taste.
Krautrock, Rio, Canterbury, Zheul and other weird stuff are just the
thing for me. I like some symphonic prog too, and some fusion, but even
when it comes to symphonic prog I tend to opt for the weirder bands
(Van der Graaf Generator, King Crimson, some Peter Hammill records are
EXTREMELY weird). Certainly I have the usual Yes and Genesis albums in
my collection too and even like them, but my heart definitely is with
the weirdos.
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 06:52 |
i feel that ultimately, given time, if we are open minded and willing to discover new things, then we can appreciate most types of music (certainly within the genre of prog). For instance, if you are unable to get past Geddy Lee's vocals (as certain posts have mentioned in the past), then you're never going to enjoy Rush. It is generally down to the disposition of the person.
Generally, if someone embraces prog, you could draw the conclusion (as politician said) that they are able to appreciate different things. it's all a matter of opening your mind to new ideas (as a girlfriend once said).
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 06:54 |
cobb wrote:
When I bought my first Yes album (yessongs) it was the 70s and I was 16
or 17. I certainly had no understanding or control of my destiny or
feelings at that stage (I think I was buying the partridge family
before this ). Most proggers may
well just be loners with a highly developed creative side of their
brain. Their imagination takes pleasure in the evocative emotions
created with this type of compositional music. I bet we all like to
read and watch fantasy/SciFi as well.
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A bit scary cobb. I do like fantasy/sci fi as well (used to read heaps when I had more time) and my fav movies are sci fi flicks.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 07:02 |
With movies it is the same as with music with me. Some of my favourite
movies: "The Holy Mountain" and "El Topo" by Alejandro Jodorowsky,
"Zardoz" (starring Sean Connery) by John Boorman and "Viva la Muerte!"
by Spanish surrealist Fernando Arrabal.
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 07:09 |
Surrealism is just fantasy in a different guise.
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 07:18 |
Is being an "eccentric" your nature or something you've made efforts to become? Not that I'm saying this of you, but some people like the idea of being an eccentric and force themselves to revel in eccentricities - i.e. watching particular films, reading certain books etc.. Is it a character trait or is it experiences when you are young that shapes/brings out your eccentric personality?
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 07:34 |
I don't think I am being eccentric just for the heck of it. I have been
quite an outsider all my life; admired in a way (I was a child prodigy
and especially a math wizard, which is a little unusual for girls; I
don't remember how many math exams I wrote for others back in school),
but no-one ever really warmed up to me. I hung around with some circles
but never had the feeling I really belonged. The only person I really
belong to is my wonderful wife Jean.
This is not supposed to sound sad though. I am quite happy.
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 07:38 |
I was just interested and I certainly wasn't intimating you were making this all up!! You're definitely a weirdo
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 08:31 |
BaldFriede wrote:
I don't think I am being eccentric just for the heck of it. I have been
quite an outsider all my life; admired in a way (I was a child prodigy
and especially a math wizard, which is a little unusual for girls; I
don't remember how many math exams I wrote for others back in school),
but no-one ever really warmed up to me. I hung around with some circles
but never had the feeling I really belonged. The only person I really
belong to is my wonderful wife Jean.
This is not supposed to sound sad though. I am quite happy.
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Unfortunately, schools have a habit of doing that to people Friede. If
a child is either, especially gifted or particularly challenged, their
peers often keep them out for a whole complex list of reasons but
really because children have not been taught to be inclusive of others
on a broad enough scale (and some of course have even been taught to be
exclusive).
Particularly as a girl/young woman, you possibly intimidated the guys
because of your intellect and school groups develop strange dynamics by
which they relate - at some stage a person has to develop strong
defense mechanisms to cope (psyche) and by that stage the die is often
cast.
I would not call myself eccentric but I have often felt that
eccentricity is an extremely strong desire for independent choice and
identification with extreme ideals in the pursuit of creative outlets.
It appears to be a form of security in identifying oneself as unique in
a world that so often is marked by trend and the drone of the madding
crowd. Eccentrics seem to be quite happy with their own company most of the time, but...
perhaps its really just a reaction to JWs constantly knocking at the door.
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 09:13 |
^ "...as Girlfriend A. once said, your honour!"
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 10:58 |
Pre-judgements certainly play their part as does association....the point is conquering those if you have have the desire to.
The rest has to lie on what is pleasing to the ear, emotions whatever.....I do believe this can evlove.
A listener can be so conditional with music but then something may come along to spin your personal take on it, perhaps even your comfort zone completely on it's head....to be embraced and acknowledged or swept under the carpet......the truth will out though
cool topic by the way
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 11:44 |
this topic is great!
I think that you are perfectly right in your analysis of the nature of musical tastes...I consider myself a really open minded person, not only for music, also for life in general...but, there are some things that I just CAN'T GET INTO, despite my personality. For example, since you've mentioned them in your thread, I just CAN'T STAND PF. I've tried so many times to like them, I swear I did, but, nothing...it never happened! And I do consider them as a great band, one of the greatest ever...it's just that they don't "get" me...it's a pretty irrational thing I guess, I wouldn't be able to tell you why; it just happens. Same thing for Genesis(even though in that case I think I know why I don't like them....but let's keep that a secret .) It seems to me that a portion of my brain firmly refuses to listen to certain bands or to do things like reading novels or going to church, while another portion of it just KNOWS that they would all be good things to do. I mean, I've listened to Foxtrot and to DSOTM so many times trying to like them, and they opened my mind in some respects, but I still don't like them. While on one hand I think "wow! what a great guitar player Dave Gilmour is!!", on the other I feel an urge to kill him (even though I'd prefer to kill Roger Waters)
What can I do? I must be a desperate case.
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 13:56 |
I admit I'm a little closeminded. Its bad but I really dislike experimentation for the heck of it (in music). There are some genres I just cannot get into and probably never will, but I admit I had pre-conceived notions about them (....Kraut, Zeuhl, Metal)
In goign with your topic barbs I fidn that I cannot listen to any German Music with vocals. Any other country I can stand, and even some German music is alright, but once the vocals come in i get freaked out and turn it off, especially if its non english.
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