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Zitro
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1321 |
Topic: Post 70s Rick Wakeman Posted: August 16 2005 at 23:33 |
I have a problem with Rick Wakeman's later works (my father owns most of Rick Wakeman's albums): His Keyboards sound extremely bland and artificial after his 70s albums. His songwriting is uninspired, non-prog, and not creative at all. Worst of all, his new age albums are extremely dull.
What is your opinion on Wakeman's solo career after his last great album? (Criminal Record) |
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NetsNJFan
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
Posted: August 16 2005 at 23:40 |
blah i agree Criminal Record was his last good record
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dropForge
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 24 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 608 |
Posted: August 16 2005 at 23:50 |
Easy, guys. Maybe you missed these: 1984 (released in 1981). His best album of the '80s. Great instrumental and vocal tracks, including the title track as sung by one Chaka Khan!! Zodiaque isn't bad, it just hasn't aged well. 2000 A.D. Into The Future is better, and while the digital synths are all over, the final track ("The Seventh Dimension") is a great Rick piece. I like Out There a lot. Damian Wilson's a great singer, and this was easily Rick's best album in a long time. There's something else coming up: a new album in which Rick will re-utilize an almost entirely analog/vintage synth/keyboard setup. I can't wait to hear it!
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 02:00 |
The good albums of Rick Wakeman from 1977 to present are hidden between a lot of albums that are mellow.
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Paco Fox
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 10 2004 Location: Spain Status: Offline Points: 500 |
Posted: August 17 2005 at 03:27 |
Mmm... I more or less liked 1984, but I found Zodiaque and 2000 AD dredful, the former without a single memorable melody and the latter like a bad J. M. Jarre record. Out there is good, and Return to the Centre of the Earth is one of my favourite Wakeman's albums, and that includes his 70s output. His New Age stuff is more than often not interesting at all (Visions, the Aspirant albums...), but there are some solo piano cds that I really like: Romance of the Victorian Age and Preludes to a century aremy favourites. |
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Yurkspb
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 05:43 |
I do like Rhapsodies, 1984, Return to the center of the earth, Out there. From other albums that I have heard Crimes of Passion and Softsword are digestable, most others are crap. |
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 05:49 |
Here are the albums I consider good from the 1977-present period:
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Bilek
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 05:56 |
I agree to a great extent, with a few exceptions: - though the keyboard sounds bland and artificial as you say, 1984 and Rock'n'roll Prophet are worth a spin. Someone even call them '70's albums in the spirit. The music itself is good. Not to mention the one-and-only Jon Anderson colloboration! -after the '90's, Wakey also went through a reawakening. some examples I can suggest are Return and Out There albums, both of which are great (well, these were already mentioned). I like return even better than the original Journey. -lastly, you're bloody well right, his new age albums suck! Maybe not from the new-age PoV, but as prog albums they shouldn't have been there!!!! |
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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Paco Fox
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 08:55 |
I also like Return better than Journey. It may worth mentioning a faily unkown album: Stella Bianca. I liked that one a lot. |
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salmacis
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 08:59 |
I'd agree for the most part- 'Criminal Record' was a great album, which is one of my faves, but 'Rhapsodies' was a monumental disappointment, and most of his releases since then veered more towards pop/rock or new age. His more modern albums like 'Return...'/ 'Out There' are said to be better, but I haven't heard them yet...
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M. B. Zapelini
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 09:00 |
"1984" is a good album, the only one that is up to his standards in the Seventies. I like "The Piano Album" too.
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Zitro
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1321 |
Posted: August 17 2005 at 09:59 |
Well, when exploring my father's Rick Wakeman Collection, I seem to find a few albums that are very good, but most of them are disappointing. I disagree with Return to the Center of the Earth : I find it extremely incoherent musically (mainly because they are pop songs sang by different singers), and most of those songs are mediocre in quality and melody-wise. 1984 is by no means a bad album, but the music mood didn't match the one of the book, and it is inconsistent in places. (Still, the overture track is one of the best songs Wakeman has ever composed) Out There seems interesting from the samples in Wakeman's site, I might buy it someday ... It feels like No Earthly Connections, 1984, and Heavy Metal combined. His piano albums are mostly boring, except for a few gems (Heritage Suite, and Preludes to a Century) He completely ripped me off with his album inspired by 'lord of the rings' which is not inspired by it! they are tracks from earlier albums. These are the albums I consider good after Criminal Record: _Landscapes of Middle Earth (do not buy if you have 'Seven Wonders' or Heritage Suite) _1984 (Interesting, but flawed concept album with great keyboard playing) _Suite of Gods (New Age with an excellent opera singer) _Wakeman With Wakeman (It mixes the styles of Six Wives and Rhapsodies) _Stella Blanca (If you don't mind french lyrics, this is an enjoyable short listen with an amazing cover of 'Ocean City') _Heritage Suite (classical and varied piano album) _Preludes to a Century (his best post 70s album in my opinion, and his best piano album)
But some of these albums could have been better if only Wakeman hired a drummer and played better keyboards.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: August 17 2005 at 14:13 |
Wakeman admits himself that he made a number of albums just to "pay the bills". Regardless of what you think of "Return to the centre of the earth", it certainly didn't fall into that category, I suspect it probably actually lost money. (I felt it was disappointing too). Out there was a good band album, nominally the belated follow up to "No earthly connection". Some good reviews coming through from you Zitro by the way! |
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yaksongs
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 25 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 128 |
Posted: August 17 2005 at 16:48 |
Hi, Just noticed this thread, this area is of geat interest to me as it was 'Journey' that first got me hooked into this music back in the late 70's. I stopped collecting his works after 1984, an album which I was anxious to own when it was launched but really never did it for me. I saw him live shortly after 1984 was launched in the as was then Hammersmith Odeon ! & he obviously did a lot of stuff from this one. Chaka Khan was not there (shame!) but some other artist whose name escapes me. I recall she sang off key quite a bit which didn't help the cause an awful lot! It never ceases to amaze me how someone with so much talent capable of works such as Myths, VI Wives, No Earthly, Journey etc just seemed to stop & therafter just bring out material that bares no resemlence to these former milestone albums at all (IMHO). However from what people have said I really ought to check out a few of the post '77 named titles in this thread Cheers M |
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Zitro
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1321 |
Posted: August 17 2005 at 17:26 |
Journey was my second album of Wakeman, and it is easily my favourite from the 50+ albums of Wakeman my father owns. If you want Rick Wakeman at his best, check out "preludes to a Century" ... I never heard him play so well. The only possible downside is that it is a 100% piano album. And Also, "Out There" because of the positive public opinions/ratings (I haven't heard that album, only samples from www.rwcc.com ) Yep, Wakeman made many albums of low quality. My least favourites of them being Rock&Roll Prophet, Phantom Power, Zodiaque, and of course how can I forget the dreadful G'ole? :
RICK WAKEMAN G'olé O.S.T. — Rick Wakeman, A legendary brilliant and vituosic keyboard player and songwriter. Composer of classic works such as 'Gone But Not Forgotten', "Merlin', 'Judas', and 'Catherine of Aragon'. He is rivaled only by Keith Emerson in skills. He also is a vital member of Yes who helped make the band symphonic with classical keyboard orchestrations.
So, what gift of genius does he present us? An extremely lifeless and bland instrumental soundtrack with some of the worst synths I have ever heard. The songs are extremely simple and straight-forward which can be very boring to listen to more than once. They are either mellow sleep-inducers with no hints of good melodies, or happy bouncy terrible tunes. Avoid this album!! It is the soundtrack of the world cup in which my country emerged champions, yet I still pass a horrible time when I spin this disc. Wakeman failed to make the goal ...
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Trotsky
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 04:06 |
I have the first three, of which Six Wives is definitely my favourite ... I also have a double-CD collection called Masters ... most of it is rubbish and yes sometimes Richard Wakeman sounds like Richard Clayderman (mmm, will use that line in my review one day) ... I really like Return Of The Prophet though ... I've also heard a couple of tracks off 7 Wonders Of The World (but not the whole album) ... sounded good ... what do you guys make of that album ... is it one of his proggiest (post 1977)? |
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Zitro
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1321 |
Posted: August 18 2005 at 12:25 |
I rated the 7 Wonders of the World 3 stars, and I forgot to include that album. I do not know whether to call it prog or not. It is more like New Age, yet the rhytms are a little rocking sometimes. That album has 3 excellent songs (the first 2, and the last one)
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Syntharachnid
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Posted: August 18 2005 at 14:25 |
If you want a selection of the best bad Rick Wakeman music, buy "The Caped Collection" The first disc has mostly his "disco" stuff with Ashley Holt on vocals for most of the tracks. The second disc has the best of his new age material, some of which isn't really that bad. Oh and also on the first disc are killer live versions of Merlin and Arthur.
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Prosciutto
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 18:02 |
They are by far the best records Rick Wakeman has done in the last 20 years and IMO are as good as "King Arthur" and "Six Wives". By the way I've always found that "Journey to the Centre of the Earth" is a bit overrated, the concept is very interesting and the project itself is daring but it has too many flaws to be considered an "essential" album: the orchestration is somewhat poor and naive (in that aspect I can tell that Rick was a still young at the time), and the vocals and guitars are terrible; there are some enjoyable parts on "Journey" but I'll always go back to the other albums of that period. "Return to the Centre of the Earth" has everything "Journey" lacks: great orchestration, good songwriting and excellent performances. Edited by Prosciutto |
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Don't be a prog-hole, please...
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memowakeman
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Posted: October 10 2005 at 18:15 |
I am agree with you, my fav album is criminal record, and the best works are in the early 70´, but after that, he did great albums, maybe not so good like the others... but here is a list , you have to try these albums: 1984, cost of living, crime of passion, zodiaque, sea airs, ferdinard iv, the heritage suite , return, wakeman and cousins, out there maybe the most of his later albums are not prog... maybe are new age, but sounds good too... And remember.. Rick Wakeman is : The Keyboard Wizard |
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