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James Lee 
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: June 05 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 3525
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 Posted: May 13 2005 at 02:39 |
Economic Left/Right: -6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62
Me, maani, Trotsky and Gandhi...now that's a dinner party! 
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Trotsky
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: October 25 2004
Location: Malaysia
Status: Offline
Points: 2771
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 02:48 |
 Sweetnighter wrote:
Trotsky, I'm surprised how close to the bottom of the chart you are. Are you the anarcho-communist type that sees the gradual destruction of the state, as Marx predicted, and the following creation of a collectivist utopia? If you're more of the socialist type, then I'm surprised that you're so close to the bottom.
As a side, its funny how both you and I view the concept of "freedom" in such different ways. Anybody that close to the bottom is obviously an avid supporter of freedom for the individual, but depending on where you are economically, that "freedom" is seen to be achieved in such different ways. I am one to see an individual's freedom realized through the liberation of the market, whereas you see it through the tight regulation and/or popular control of the market. Not looking to start a debate here, just merely pointing out how the differences are rooted in the similarities.
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You know what Sweetnighter, I have caught myself thinking in the past that there are certain similarities in the methodology we employ to analyse things, and yet we've come up with very different conclusions (certainly on politics).
For the record, I'm practically a social-democrat, with (for example) a strong belief in multi-party democracy over an autocratic state. I have of course, moved well away fom the days when I saw everything in black and white. A great part of my ideas stem from my unique childhood in which I lived in 9 different countries including the USSR, USA, Japan, Belgium as well as parts of S-E Asia (including Laos) and West Africa. I think the differences between the "socialism" I saw practiced in some of the so-called socialist countries (in which I either lived in or visited) and the socialism I read about in theory is what prompted me to investigate those ideas in the first place.
Over the last decade however I have taken root in one place, and my ideas have changed somewhat (nothing changes you like parenthood I think). But I still see socialist principles making the most sense to me. For example I am also a union leader and I have had a long-running battle with our medical system (which has moved away emphatically from the welfare-state model the British left us to a far more capitalist operations). This has really affected me because one of my three children has an expensive uninsurable condition that has resulted in four operations costing about almost four years' worth of my paltry salary (and I'm only 32, so you imagine that's been tough).
The way in which the system (in all aspects, not just economic ones) favours the wealthy and powerful and the profit-motive of capitalism seem to me to be inherently flawed. But I do very much enjoy the personal freedoms of thought and expression that I would not experience under a totalitarian regime. So in some ways, even though I am a leftist, I would much rather live in a relatively free right-wing state like the US or Malaysia, than I would in a totalitarian supposedly leftist state like (what's left?) Cuba or North Korea.
Even when it comes to philosophical/religious ideas, I am no longer as rigid as I once was (devout Roman Catholic turned fanatically atheist, now "drifting"). My current household of 8, for example comprises four different races and four different religions that co-exist without any troubles.
Having said all that, I was really very surprised at getting so radical a score! 
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"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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Trotsky
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Honorary Collaborator
Joined: October 25 2004
Location: Malaysia
Status: Offline
Points: 2771
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 02:52 |
James Lee wrote:
Economic Left/Right: -6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62
Me, maani, Trotsky and Gandhi...now that's a dinner party!
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With Gandhi at the party, there might well be no food ... 
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"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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James Lee
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: June 05 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 3525
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 03:00 |
Trotsky wrote:
James Lee wrote:
Economic Left/Right: -6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62
Me, maani, Trotsky and Gandhi...now that's a dinner party!
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With Gandhi at the party, there might well be no food ...
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plenty of salt, though...
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Trotsky
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: October 25 2004
Location: Malaysia
Status: Offline
Points: 2771
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 03:14 |
Well boys, and girls (any so far?), the statistician in me decided to come up with this summary of our scores ... feel free to copy and paste as each new person takes the test ... (I must say I can't believe our anarchic Velvet Clown has a positive score on social liberties)
Ben2112
Economic Left/Right: -2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82
King Of Loss
Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62
Arsillus
Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15
Tuxon
Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97
Cygnus X-2
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69
Sweetnighter
Economic Left/Right: 4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21
BebieM
Economic Left/Right: 1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.26
Trotsky
Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
Maani
Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67
Danbo
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.49
Heirophant
Economic Left/Right: 0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77
Velvetclown
Economic Left/Right: -5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.56
James Lee
Economic Left/Right: -6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62
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"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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Peter
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: January 31 2004
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 9669
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 03:15 |
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: - 6.15
Edited by Peter
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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James Lee
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: June 05 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 3525
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 03:25 |
I want gdub to show us his.
His score, I mean.
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Peter
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: January 31 2004
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 9669
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 03:32 |
James Lee wrote:
I want gdub to show us his.
His score, I mean.
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 He'll score somewhere between Ernst Roehm and Herman Goring, I imagine....
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 16130
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 05:25 |
The Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.62
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Thats mine!
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Velvetclown
Forum Senior Member
Joined: February 13 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 8548
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 05:36 |
Well Trotsky my friend, I´m not just a Moron, I´m an OxyMoron as well 
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Rob The Good
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 17 2004
Location: New Zealand
Status: Offline
Points: 476
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 05:39 |
Hmm, I'm definitely a minority here...
Economic Left/Right: 2.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.31
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And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..."
Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster.
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Tony R
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: July 16 2004
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 11979
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 06:01 |
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.10
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Tony R
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: July 16 2004
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 11979
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 06:06 |
Sweetnighter wrote:
Trotsky, I'm surprised how close to the bottom of the chart you are. Are you the anarcho-communist type that sees the gradual destruction of the state, as Marx predicted, and the following creation of a collectivist utopia? If you're more of the socialist type, then I'm surprised that you're so close to the bottom.
As a side, its funny how both you and I view the concept of "freedom" in such different ways.
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That is because your views are rooted in political science and philosophy and not on experience. 
I am also extremely glad to see that politically you are very much on your own,if these "scores" are truly representative.Going back to the original website,I see that you are on your own as far as the historical comparison is concerned too.
Edited by Tony R
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Jim Garten
Special Collaborator
Retired Admin & Razor Guru
Joined: February 02 2004
Location: South England
Status: Offline
Points: 14693
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 07:24 |
Interesting test - makes ya think, dunnit? 
Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36
Apparently around the same score as Nelson Mandela....
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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Jim Garten
Special Collaborator
Retired Admin & Razor Guru
Joined: February 02 2004
Location: South England
Status: Offline
Points: 14693
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 07:29 |
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So, Mr Rideout - if I am reading this correctly, you and I would agree on most economic issues, but I'd possibly find you much too namby-pamby on the Social Libertarian axis....
Just as I suspected!
IGOR!!! THERE'S A BLEEDIN' HEART LIBERAL ON THE FORUM - RELEASE THE ATTACK BADGERS!
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
+++strokes cat+++
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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nacho
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 18 2004
Location: Spain
Status: Offline
Points: 521
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 09:31 |
Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72
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maani
Special Collaborator
Founding Moderator
Joined: January 30 2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2632
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 11:25 |
All:
Tony R, James Lee, Tuxon and myself all fall in the same quadrant, and not too far apart.
I find that incredibly interesting given Tony R's and James' rabid "atheism" and tuxon and my strongly avowed spirituo-religious beliefs.
Any thoughts?
Peace.
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JrKASperov
Forum Senior Member
Joined: July 07 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 904
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 12:05 |
I'm right there with maaniboy.
Edit: seems like I'm the most left person yet with -8  Only -2 towards libertanian though 
Edited by JrKASperov
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Epic.
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Sweetnighter
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 24 2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1298
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 12:20 |
Tony R wrote:
Sweetnighter wrote:
Trotsky, I'm surprised how close to the bottom of the chart you are. Are you the anarcho-communist type that sees the gradual destruction of the state, as Marx predicted, and the following creation of a collectivist utopia? If you're more of the socialist type, then I'm surprised that you're so close to the bottom.
As a side, its funny how both you and I view the concept of "freedom" in such different ways.
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That is because your views are rooted in political science and philosophy and not on experience.
I am also extremely glad to see that politically you are very much on your own,if these "scores" are truly representative.Going back to the original website,I see that you are on your own as far as the historical comparison is concerned too.
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You insist on being a nuisance with me, don't you?
I have this feeling that you think I'm one of these wealthy, middle-upper class intellectual types. If you do, let me tell you that you're mistaken. Although my mother and I live comfortably, we've undergone lots of finanancial hardship. My mother works in the stagehand's union in the downtown theatre district, and by no means is bring home anywhere near a six-digit yearly income. Paying for college is going to be very difficult when we have to start doing that in a few years, and I'm going to have to do quite a lot of work on the side to pay for it. When my parents were first divorced, my mother even used food stamps. With hefty financial aid and good grades, I have been able to attend a decent prep school near my house. I go to school with the richest, most spoiled brats you've ever met. They drive their escalades and their jaguars around like it was nothing. Trust me, I would be one to be a liberal.
Regardless, I am not, for a number of reasons. Yes, there is economic inequality, and there always will be, but that is not equatible with economic injustice. You only get out of the system what you put into it. Even through the worst of times my family members, many of whom are worse off than my mother once was, still believe that. Its an issue of self-confidence, and playing to those who work their hardest and do their best. Just because there are others who have more wealth than I does not, in my mind, give me or anybody else any moral right to take their well earned money. If that money that the rich have was not well earned, then their asses should be grilled in court for it. I'm not pro-business and I'm not pro-government. With power comes corruption, and the only way to eliminate that, so I believe, is through a balance of power. The American government has remained stable through a balance of three braches of government, but the balance of power between business, labor, and government has always been volatile. Whenever one reigns supreme, the people are bound to suffer. For this reason, I am not a conservative nor am I a liberal. Conservatives play to business interests, and liberals play to labor interests. I, for one, don't believe the government should be playing to any interests. Government everywhere should consist, in my mind, only of courts and police forces, designed solely to protect the rights of individuals everywhere....
...but i digress. If anybody wants to continue this discussion with me, send me a PM. In any case, I don't find your chide remarks amusing and your condesending attitude is really rather unnecessary.
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I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die.
"Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend
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nacho
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 18 2004
Location: Spain
Status: Offline
Points: 521
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 12:25 |
maani wrote:
All:
Tony R, James Lee, Tuxon and myself all fall in the same quadrant, and not too far apart.
I find that incredibly interesting given Tony R's and James' rabid "atheism" and tuxon and my strongly avowed spirituo-religious beliefs.
Any thoughts?
Peace.
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Please count me in with the atheists in the same quadrant. But I'm not that surprised that a true christian is left winged and libertarian, although by experience I know many more of the right winged and authoritarian so-called christian ones...
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