Einstuerzende Neubauten?

Publius wrote: hehe. Einsturzende are a topic of much debate in industrial/rivethead circles. Believe me I've been there. 'A bunch of crazy Germans banging on things? That's not industrial!' I have heard many a time. They might sound industrial, but you could argue that Coheed And Cambria sound emo. Doesn't make them not progressive. I'm not saying they're typical prog rock, but they have very progressive moment. They have a lot of Neu-esque pensive moments, and their songs are really thoughtful.

Yes, it does - for some people. That's why Coheed And Cambria were removed from the archives - some styles like Emo, Punk and Industrial don't lend themselves to prog very much. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it is unlikely.

Industrial is one of my favorite genres, yet I have to agree that it doesn't contain many 'prog' moments...

Publius wrote: Great. but my German is limited I'm afraid.

Here's an english text:

Few bands have metamorphosed as dramatically over their careers as Einstürzende Neubauten. Formed in post-punk West Berlin, the band emerged as part of a Dadaist movement called Die Geniale Dillitanten (the brilliant amateurs) which aimed to break down all musical conventions. Enjoying their live debut on April 1, 1980, they quickly became known for 'unlistenable' eardrum-assaulting industrial noise and destructive, nihilistic behaviour, reportedly acted out in a haze of drugs and alcohol. Even their name aptly illustrated their destructive tendencies: 'Einstürzende' means 'collapsing' and 'Neubauten' is the German word for the ugly, box-like, concrete high-rise blocks of flats that mushroomed everywhere in Europe during the 1960s and '70s.

In those early days, Neubauten concerts often collapsed into rioting and critical uproar. In the UK, for instance, they gained notoriety in 1984 thanks to a concert at the ICA in London that featured road drills, chainsaws, a cement mixer, various raw building materials and, legend has it, a piano. During the performance, which was titled 'Concerto for Voice and Machine', glass bottles ended up in the cement mixer and the front rows were showered in sawdust and glass, leaving some with gashed faces. When the PA speakers came perilously close to the centre of destruction, ICA officials forcibly removed the protagonists from the stage, only to end up wrestling with crowd members who were into some DIY themselves. "Possibly the best gig since the crucifixion," concluded one enthusiastic reviewer.

In the context of such apparent nihilism, few would have put any money on the band making the end of the '80s. Yet nearly 25 years on, the band and its members are alive and well. What's more, EN's recent works are lyrical, pastoral, delicate things of beauty, full of melody, poetry and wonder. On their latest opus, Perpetuum Mobile (2004), for instance, power drills have made way for dried linden leaves, while its predecessor, Silence Is Sexy (2000) was an ode to silence. In recent years they've also been extensively involved in various high art projects such as dance and theatre performances. And where Neubauten once almost assaulted their audience with an uncompromising 'take it or leave it' attitude, Perpetuum Mobile came into being after intense interaction and consultation with fans, who witnessed the album's writing and recording sessions via the Internet. Einstürzende Neubauten have clearly come a long way.

Read the full article here:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov04/articles/einsturzende. htm

'the band emerged as part of a Dadaist movement called Die Geniale Dillitanten (the brilliant amateurs) which aimed to break down all musical conventions.' Like I said, experimental. A lot of prog is unlistenable! Captain Beefheart, The Residents...

Ok, I agree. But, see my point: I can see some  progressive tendencies on the work of Einstuerzende Neubauten. Indeed, they sound like Neu! sometimes... But  if they're added to the site, someone might claim that Ministry and KMFDM should be too... And I don't think these bands come to be progressive, they're Industrial. Einstuerzende Neubauten has some prog moments? For sure yes! But they belong to other "chain", other movement. So to add 'em, we should add the whole movement. The line of what is prog, and what isn't, is rather tenuous.

This is my opinion, anyway.

Yeah, nice one Fantomas I'm glad you see my point. Industrial is my favourite genre next to prog, but Einsturzende stand out amongst KMFDM, Ministry, NIN, Wumpscut etc. But people here I suppose won't really listen to that...

Publius wrote: Yeah, nice one Fantomas I'm glad you see my point. Industrial is my favourite genre next to prog, but Einsturzende stand out amongst KMFDM, Ministry, NIN, Wumpscut etc. But people here I suppose won't really listen to that...

Why don't you make a case for Front 242? They are some sort of progressive industrial band - or rather EBM.

Front 242 are progressive?

Fantômas wrote: Well, I always thought that Krautrock is "Experimental-German-Rock" or influenced by such...

Yeah. But careful what you say...you could trigger a 'then-krautrock-isnt-prog!-why-are-they-here!?' thread!

Yes I do but you misunderstand me. I said 'Front 242 are progressive' because I haven't heard them.

Trust me, if anyone knows the difference around here, I certainly do Test me!