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Points: 2632 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 11:33

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I truly hope that no one is "intimidated" by the "admin group" title.  I am just another member when it comes to discussion and debate in the forums (unless I specifically state that I am speaking "officially").  Indeed, anyone who thinks I would "use" my position to stifle debate or otherwise "punish" a member has not read my posts on freedom of speech on the site.

So perhaps I should simply state it for the "rabble" (): In matters of general discussion, please feel free to ignore the "admin group" moniker that appears under my name, since it has no bearing on anything whatsoever.  Trust me, I can handle myself well enough in discussion and debate not to feel even the slightest twinge of a wish or need to "exert my authority" in any regard.  Indeed, as anyone who has been here for any length of time will tell you (and I say this not as self-aggrandizement, but as fact), I am without question the #1 champion of free speech on this site.  Yes, there are "guidelines," created and enforced by the admin group.  But those guidelines are minimal, and free speech and debate are strongly encouraged - no matter what your point of view.

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But just don't dare disagree with Maani, or you'll be rapidly ex-communicated!LOL
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That´s my favourite Scotsman !!!     
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 12:26
Comer on you guys pull yourselves together we all know that god is just dog spelled bacwards!
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 12:28

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

when you look at nature you notice the tendency of growing intelligence and consciousness, the more complicated the structures in it get. now the most complicated structure in the universe is of course the universe itself. it is therefore quite conceivable the universe has intelligence and a consciousness. and this consciousness I would call "God"

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Points: 8548 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 12:39
Well I hope there´s som intelligent life out there in space, cos It´s bugger all down here.
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Points: 8548 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 12:44
Bilden “http://www.markstivers.com/Cartoons/Stivers%204-14-02%20Always%20seek%20approval.gif” kan inte visas, då den innehåller fel.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 12:53

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

Well I hope there´s som intelligent life out there in space, cos It´s bugger all down here.

Well, not in Sweden in any case!
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Bilden “http://www.markstivers.com/Cartoons/Stivers%2010-5-02%20I%20used%20to%20suffer%20alone.gif” kan inte visas, då den innehåller fel.
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Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

Well I hope there´s som intelligent life out there in space, cos It´s bugger all down here.

"The Galaxy song!!", superb.Clap
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Spot On !!!
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God Song by Matching Mole; lyrics Robert Wyatt

What on Earth are you doing, God?
Is this some sort of joke you're playing?
Is it cause we didn't pray?
Well I can't see the point of the word without the action
Are you just hot air, breathing over us and over all?
Is it fun watching us all?
Where's your son? We want him again!

And next time you send your boy down here
Give him a wife and a sexy daughter
Someone we can understand
Who's got some ideas we can use, really relate to
We've all read your rules, tried them
Learnt them in school, then tried them
They're impossible rules, and you've made us look fools
Well done, God, but now please...

Don't hunt me down, for Heaven's sake!
You know that I'm only joking, aren't I?
Pardon me I'm very drunk!
But I know what I'm trying to say, and it's nearly night time
And we're still alone, waiting for something unknown, still waiting
So throw down a stone, or something!
Give us a sign, for Christ's sake!


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Points: 3525 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 14:55
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

Goose said, "There's no point in using science to try and prove or disprove the existence of a higher being since science is within what the higher being (or lack of) created. It's like trying to break open a box with a crowbar that's already inside the box."

Absolutely brilliant! 

I also notice that tangerine - and all the other rabid atheists in the group - have chosen to ignore my post.  Could that be because they realize they cannot answer the question?  That all they can do is continue to resort to tired old atheist mantras, and simply repeat them over and over?

Ah well.  I had hoped for more stimulating discussion and debate, and not just a bunch of mealy fundamentalist atheists...()

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I'm not sure which I find more unlikely: the existence of god, or the possibility of an intelligent forum discussion.

For my part, I think we have WAY too much blind faith in 'science'...most atheists reject the possibility of god's existence out of hand but accept buttloads of hearsay when it comes to scientific theories; god is perfect but cannot exist, whereas man is flawed but his works go unquestioned.

Religion and science are both tools of man's construction, only useful when they can give us a better life. Right now they both seem to be more likely to get in the way of that goal. The atheists will say that we are outgrowing faith and embracing reason, but honestly I don't think we've developed enough to truly utilize either one with any real confidence and understanding...myself included.

and BTW folks: try not to quote Bertrand Russell out of context- any statement he's made probably directly conflicts with another of his statements....kinda like the bible.
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Religion without science is blind, science without religion is lame. - Albert Einstein


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Points: 16889 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 15:04

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Religion without science is blind, science without religion is lame. - Albert Einstein
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 18:15

 i started this thread to find out if there are many believers and what drives them to believe. I was brought up roman catholic ( a one way ticket out of religion if ever there was one), and throughout my education kept getting it thumped into me catholics were better than anyone else. I don't understand religion, i don't want to, there are too many worshipping the same thing. But none can agree on what that is. god does not exist for me hence the small g, and from what i know has never been proven to exist. Sketchy sightings from aeons ago written aeons after the event, makes dodgy grounds for stating that god existed. Anyway i don't believe nor ever will, so each to their own and as i've stated elsewhere in these forums, the only god plays keyboards.....Keith Emerson.
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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 18:47
you just have to take a walk through a forest on a sunny summer day or see a winter panorama from a high mountain to experience the presence of a deity, however you want to call it. I am not speaking of the kind of God of the Roman Catholic church; God is not an old man with a beard that puts sinners in hell. I recommend you read this: http://www.gaiaguys.net/taoist.htm
read it from beginning to end, without any prejudice; I think you will like this concept of "God". it is completely different from the concept being taught to you in Roman Catholic schools and churches


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 19:02
Look mate god does not exist for me now or ever, so don't bull me with take a walk in a forest.......This universe was created after the big bang and not in 7 days that the numpties would have you believe. I don't like god nor have any wish too, wake up and smell the sh*te your your preaching.
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Points: 16310 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 19:19
Originally posted by tangerine62 tangerine62 wrote:

The bible is a nice story book.........but thats all.

its also very perverted and sick
and just for laughs:
"I asked this guy, I said, 'Come on man, Dinosaur fossils. What's the deal?' 'Dinosaur fossils? God put those there to test our faith.' 'I think God put you here to test my faith, dude. You believe that?' 'Uh huh.' Does that trouble anyone here? The idea that God might be f**kin' with our heads? Anyone have trouble sleeping restfully with that thought in their heads? God's running around, burrying fossils: 'Hu hu ho. We will see who believes in me now, ha HA. Im a prankster god. I am killing me. Ho ho ho ho.' You know, you die, you go to St. Peter, 'Did you you believe in dinosaurs?" "Well, you know, there was fossils everywhere.' [Bill makes sound effects with his mic] KOOM Aaaahhhh. 'What are you, an idiot? God was f**kING with you! Giant flying lizards, you moron! That's one of God's easiest jokes!' 'It seemed so plausibleeeee! Ahhhhhhhh!' Bound for the lake of fire. . . . While I appreciate your quiant traditions, supersitions, and, you know, I on the other hand am an evolved being who deals soley with the source of light which exists in all of us, in our own minds, no middle man required. [laughs] But anyway, I appreciate your little games and sh*t, you putting on the tie and going to church, a de da de da. But you know there's a LIVING GOD WHO WILL TALK DIRECTLY f**kING TO YOU. Sorry, but not too many pages of the Bible that FORGOT TO MENTION DINOSAURS!"
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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 19:21
you did not understand me at all. I said nothing about the world being created in 7 days; on the contrary, I explicitely pointed out this was not what I was talking about. such a concept of God is weak in my opinion too. go to the web address I gave you and READ, from beginning to end. after that we can talk again

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